Abu Ghraib prison pics..

schenkadere said:
You're on the money!...Wake up,dude...it's fucking war!!! Sure, we're protecting our interests by remaining a presence, but our poor boys are being killed and maimed in guerilla attacks, so bully for them if they want to make a nude Iraqi homo tower and snap a few pictures. Sure it's not the most honorable behavior, but it's humiliating which hits those pompous fuck murders where it hurts...their distorted, twisted pride!
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Oops...spelling error...I meant "murderers".:oops:
 
Another thing whilst we are talking about it but why did America and UK waste so many resources going after Saddam?Was'nt it Bin Laden who was the no. 1 target?America did'nt need to go to war with Iraq,it was just based on if's but's maybe's,no 100% proof of any weapons.Here are now 3 years later and countless British and American troops dead and for what?
Those pictures certainly don't win "heart's and minds"
 
stuglue said:
Another thing whilst we are talking about it but why did America and UK waste so many resources going after Saddam?Was'nt it Bin Laden who was the no. 1 target?America did'nt need to go to war with Iraq,it was just based on if's but's maybe's,no 100% proof of any weapons.Here are now 3 years later and countless British and American troops dead and for what?
Those pictures certainly don't win "heart's and minds"
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Ahhh....shuddup and quit yer whining!

Must have all just been for fucking sport.
 
Intelligent response there.Try telling that to all the parent's who've lost son's fighting for fuck all.
 
stuglue said:
Intelligent response there.Try telling that to all the parent's who've lost son's fighting for fuck all.
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It was sarcasm, dumb ass.

Well, being that you seem to have all the answers, why do you dedicate your life to ending the atrocity and stop whining about it.

Bottom line...exactly what is your point?
 
stuglue said:
Another thing whilst we are talking about it but why did America and UK waste so many resources going after Saddam?Was'nt it Bin Laden who was the no. 1 target?America did'nt need to go to war with Iraq,it was just based on if's but's maybe's,no 100% proof of any weapons.Here are now 3 years later and countless British and American troops dead and for what?
Those pictures certainly don't win "heart's and minds"
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I don't know if yer smart enough to read AND comprehend, but here ya go....:Smug:

http://www.worldthreats.com/middle_east/talk_tikriti.htm

Ali Ibrahim al-Tikriti was a southern regional commander for Saddam Hussein’s Fedayeen militia in the late 1980s and a personal friend of the dictator. Units under his command dealt with chemical and biological weapons. He was known as the “Butcher of Basra” due to his campaigns and defected shortly before the Gulf War in 1991. This interview aims to gain some insight into the current situation in Iraq.

RM: Is there a single incident that you can point to that made you regret your actions and turn against the Baath Party?

IT: The single incident was my wife being willing to stand before me, not as my wife but as an Iraqi, and before one of Saddam's most brutal enforcers and question my tactics. This really made me think because no one has ever even considered to question the tactics of myself or any others and lived to tell about it. This courageous move made me think deep and hard.

RM: Do you still maintain good sources inside Iraq to draw information from?

IT: I will maintain very close sources in Iraq and outside of Iraq. Some of Saddam's key scientists are personal friends of mine as well as other key leaders in the former Iraqi military. I have helped draw information since my defecting to the United States government voluntarily and with the permission of these contacts. The only difference between many of them and I, is that I had the opportunity to defect and they didn't.

RM: Many observers say the Syrian and Iraqi Baath Parties did not trust each other and were rivals until around 2000. How serious were the disagreements between Syria and Saddam Hussein?

IT: The disagreements were not as dramatic as many would lead you to believe. Yes they were deep enough that Iraq and Syria could never move in the direction of forming one pan-Arab nationalist state but both remained the closest of allies. The ideologies of both were identical in almost every respect but the biggest problem was with the fact that Saddam and Assad were so alike they couldn't bear each other in terms of sharing power.

RM: What can you tell us about Iraqi sponsorship of terrorists, from Palestinian groups to Al-Qaeda?

IT: Iraq had sponsored Palestinian militant organizations for the longest time with logistical and some material support. Most of the material support came around after the first Gulf War in terms of buying munitions for the various terrorist organizations in the West Bank and Gaza. As far as Al-Qaeda is concerned this support was limited for a long time, mainly due to the fact that Al-Qaeda had the hopes of creating an Islamic empire while Saddam wanted a secular Arab nationalist empire. They only really came to terms in the mid-90's due to the fact that both knew they shared the same short term enemy. Once they came to terms on this Saddam provided Al-Qaeda with intelligence support and whatever money or munitions they could provide. Saddam has had very long standing contacts in the black market as well as with Moscow and would provide whatever munitions he could through these contacts.

RM: In your experience, would either side (the Iraqi Baathists or radical Islamists) be able to put aside their differences to cooperate against the United States?

IT: Yes, as I have noted above they did and will continue to strengthen ties until both are defeated. If you look in Iraq today you are witnessing Arab nationalist terrorist organizations and Islamist terrorist organizations working together to fight the United States.

RM: Is it true the United States helped bring Saddam Hussein to power, as some allege, and then arm him with WMDs?

IT: This is absolutely ludicrous. I was in the Ba'athist Revolution who received support from the Soviet Union because of the socialist ideology behind it. The Soviet Union openly supported and backed the Ba'athist revolution in Iraq at the time and I am sure you can find news articles about it in European press agencies and others at the time. I was there helping with the revolution and worked on two occasions with Soviet KGB officials to help train us, much like the United States did with the Taliban during the Soviet campaign in Afghanistan. The United States never directly gave us any WMDs but rather ingredients. They were not mixed and these 'ingredients' could have been easily used for commercial use but were rather used to build low life chemical weapons.

RM: Why do you think Iraq's weapons of mass destruction are in Syria? Why didn't he use them or simply destroy them before the war?

IT: I know Saddam's weapons are in Syria due to certain military deals that were made going as far back as the late 1980's that dealt with the event that either capitols were threatened with being overrun by an enemy nation. Not to mention I have discussed this in-depth with various contacts of mine who have confirmed what I already knew. At this point Saddam knew that the United States were eventually going to come for his weapons and the United States wasn't going to just let this go like they did in the original Gulf War. He knew that he had lied for this many years and wanted to maintain legitimacy with the pan Arab nationalists. He also has wanted since he took power to embarrass the West and this was the perfect opportunity to do so. After Saddam denied he had such weapons why would he use them or leave them readily available to be found? That would only legitimize President Bush, who he has a personal grudge against. What we are witnessing now is many who opposed the war to begin with are rallying around Saddam saying we overthrew a sovereign leader based on a lie about WMD. This is exactly what Saddam wanted and predicted.

RM: What can you tell us about Iraqi and Iranian relations? There have been reports that small amounts of Iraqi WMDs went to Iran and that Iran is currently helping the Iraqi insurgency.

IT: The reports on weapons being sent to Iran are absolutely false. They have no basis and are written by people who have no knowledge of Middle Eastern affairs or they are being written by people who are just intellectually dishonest. As far as the support for the insurgency today, there is no doubt in my mind that Tehran is backing the Islamist insurgency of the Shiites. Iran would want nothing more than a destabalized Iraq, not because they want to control Iraq as much as they want something to throw at the United States politically on the international stage.

RM: On what levels did Iraq and Libya cooperate? Some reports indicate Iraq was involved in Libya's nuclear program.

IT: Iraqi scientists were turned over to Libya along with many documents and research from Iraq on nuclear weapons. There is no doubt that Saddam was attempting to use Libya as a laboratory to further his nuclear development just like he was attempting to do by sending his weapons to Syria. Saddam knew after the Gulf War he needed to start shipping his weapons and programs outside of his borders to avoid detection which is exactly why Saddam became so emboldened and laughed at the West every time he stood in front of the camera. If you were to compare him in the 80's and 90's you would see a much more confident and defiant Saddam in the latter due to the fact he knew there was nothing to materially pin him on within the borders of Iraq.

RM: Why do you think the insurgency is still living on in Iraq? What can be done to win the guerilla war there?

IT: The insurgency is still alive and well in Iraq today due to mismanagement and failure on the part of those managing the rebuilding effort. If you want to break the back of the insurgency what is needed is, obviously, to continue the military campaign and train the Iraqi forces BUT you need to rebuild more schools, provide more jobs and increase the standard of living. You can't rely on the Army Corps of Engineers to do most of the civil rebuilding. They are a great company and have done much good but something of this magnitude requires large private companies to be engaged. If you provide the Iraqis with jobs and really show them a better way of life you will win their hearts and minds which will cripple the insurgency's efforts to find safe haven in Iraq, material support in Iraq and above all, recruits in Iraq.

RM: Are you optimistic or pessimistic about the near-term future of Iraq?

IT:There is no doubt that the United States military has learned the mistakes of the past and are really getting on track in terms of the learning curve of the reconstruction of Iraq. My criticism was aimed at the politicians on the Hill who are beginning to run the war from Congress and taking this role from the military. I see this in the very near future. I have a lot of fears that with upcoming elections and poll numbers down for the Iraq war the politicians are sticking their fingers in the air and they are wanting to cut and run essentially and isolate themselves from the war.

I am optimistic that the Iraqis and the U.S. military can salvage whatever damage may be done due to this. There is much more progress in Iraq today than there was in Vietnam when we pulled out than. The biggest hurdle is going to be putting enough pressure on the Hill to just let the Pentagon run the war and allow our military establishment to do what we entrusted them to do. Win the war and reconstruct the country. The day the politicians take that away from the Pentagon is the day I really see a serious escalation in terrorism to continue a propaganda war from Iraq to persuade the politicians to cut and run. Zarqawi and the rest have been attempting to do this from day one and they are getting closer to their goal if you look at the sentiment within the Senate alone.

I am still quite optimistic that the Iraqis will prevail due to the amount of progress and reconstruction the United States military has made in Iraq but there is always that small amount of doubt and fear which I have. I have seen politicians try to rake the reigns of a war from the military and the war is lost almost immediately. The ball though is in the Iraqis court in terms of defending their newfound democracy and being able to energize the public enough to make this work irregardless of what happens in Washington or the number of troops left in Iraq in the near future.

That being said I think the Iraqis have a very good shot of developing a true and vibrant democracy but it really is up to them and how badly the Iraqis public really wants it and if they are up to the sacrifice, both financially and in terms of body count.

RM: Do you support the rumored partial withdrawal of American troops in spring of 2006?

IT: Now of course I would like to see a drawing down of U.S. troops as to have them return back stateside and be with their families. It would also give the Iraqi security forces the opportunity to prove what themselves to the Iraqi people. The problem though is the political climate here in Washington as I explained earlier.

If there is no sight of the political environment changing in the near future than there is no doubt that drawing down U.S. troops will be more disastrous in the long run than just leaving them there until the Administration or the political climate changes here at home. We can not take the chance of allowing another Vietnam to occur because this will be the Mujahadeens victory over the Soviet Union to the 10th power.
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Also...

http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/Investigation/story?id=1616996

The story has already aired, but this tells a great much of it...Once again, if yer reading comprehension is bad, or possibly a tree hugging liberal, you just won't get it.
 
Psycho21477 said:
The story has already aired, but this tells a great much of it...Once again, if yer reading comprehension is bad, or possibly a tree hugging liberal, you just won't get it.
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Tree hugging? What the fuck does that even mean? Is that supposed to be an insult? I love my planet, what's wrong with that?
 
stuglue said:
Why should WE mop up YOUR mess?
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Because you are the ultimate humanitarian...I didn't mean your country...I meant you...go volunteer over there if you feel so strong about the cause...which...you never quite stated. I assume it's pull out the troops and let the Iraqis govern and guide themselves. Yup...that will work just fine. If you haven't noticed, they're fucking savages and religious sheep...no, of course not all of them, but yes, far too many!

Of course your country isn't benefiting from the US influence, right?
 
Islam is gaining power.
Fundamentalists have already made their moves against Europe too.
Somehow I wish that people would just stop complaining about the present situation, and be happy that there´s at least someone to keep the muhajeddins at bay.
Since when has any goverment started a war for justice and justice alone?
It is a cold world, and we the people with all our fancy technology are still not above the fight for survival, or so it seems.

Finland made a stand against enormous Russian invasion during the winter-war on 39. We fought for our lives.

Now when enough time has passed, some ultra-liberals complain that we should be ashamed, because Finland and Nazi-Germany were brothers in arms, and few jews were sent to nazi-death camps because of the relationship. We should have surrendered....? Tell Germany to fuck off...?

It´s never that easy. Americans share the western culture and religion, as well as moral with us Europeans. Insulting human rights is allways bad, how could it ever be good, but I personally dont give a rat´s ass about some humiliated Iraqi soldiers.
It is a bad world we live in. Luckily I can sit on my ass and watch television knowing that the Americans hardly attack Finland because of our religion, how our wemen dress, or any other insane reason, like silly drawings.
 
Being led around on a dog leash, made to stand naked in a cell being humiliated by a woman in uniform? Cuffed and hooded, beaten and made to wank off for the pleasure of the jailer? DING FUCKING DONG!!!!!
It sounds like a session down at my Darling Dominatrix Mistress of Pain's House of Torment! And I have to pay fucking good money for that sort of treatment!!! Oh how I wish I had more disposable cash!!! Aaah yesssssss!!

"Thank you Mistress, please may I have another?"
CRAAAAAAAAAAAAACKKKKKKK!!!!!
"Aiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!! Thank you Mistress....."

I am now officially sporting wood.
 
stuglue said:
Another thing whilst we are talking about it but why did America and UK waste so many resources going after Saddam?Was'nt it Bin Laden who was the no. 1 target?America did'nt need to go to war with Iraq,it was just based on if's but's maybe's,no 100% proof of any weapons.Here are now 3 years later and countless British and American troops dead and for what?
Those pictures certainly don't win "heart's and minds"
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Bin Laden is STILL the #1 target. we've still got troops in Afghanistan looking for him.
people forget that, for some reason.

the reason Hussein was caught so easily and we're still looking for Bin Laden is because Hussein was an apostate and was hated by his people. nobody was willing to protect him when coalition forces closed in.
Bin Laden, on the other hand, is seen as some sort of 'cult hero' and he has tribes willing to hide him and keep him one step ahead of our troops.


while you're harping over pictures that are several years old, why not comment on the audio of Saddam Hussein that has been discovered recently, where he talks about attacks on America?
in the tapes, he talks of a major attack on America, but said Iraq would not be involved.
he also talks about at least 3 terrorist training camps that were operating within Iraq.

the man needed to be taken out. period.
 
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