Acoustic Drums for Metal: A Guide
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unsilpauly
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the 604s are really nice. i just got some last week and they definetly sound better on toms than 57s, definetly more bottom end, which for me, make the toms sound bigger. the 421s are nice for sure, but im not convinced yet that they are over 200.00 a piece better than 604s. i got a 604 three pack for well under 300.00, that tough to beat in terms of sound to dollar value. bottom line is that if with any of these mics and a good drumset thats been tuned well and good mic placement its all workable for sure.
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OzNimbus said:
awesome
does anyone have any experience recording drums with a presonus firepod? in addition to upgrading mics, i'm hoping my band can get one of these in the next few months
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riffmachine said:
Try MD441 on Toms, they just rule!
they are super-cardoids and really bring out the attack of the toms, more than the other mentioned mics.
cobrahead1030 said:
If you check the beginning of this thread, someone posted a link to a recording done strictly with the Presonus stuff. Damn impressive IMO. However, I think it was a Digimax with the limiters engaged. Apparently, the limiters helped the sound out.
cobrahead1030 said:
I have a Firepod setup and my band is currently recording an EP/demo/whatever and we used it to track the drums...Extremely easy and sounds great. Now if I can learn a bit more about mixing we may be on to something!
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deathtotaliban said:
what's your general opinion on it? anything you really like or dislike about it?
we really need something pretty good in the preamp/converter dept. to get this studio project rolling...i'm wondering if this is gonna be something we can put to some good use, because i know it will be a WHILE before we'll upgrade again
the studio is mainly for our own use, we're aiming to record a GOOD (dare i even so pro level) full length CD there starting this coming december...and probably get some other bands in there to record some demos etc. before then (which we won't be making too much $$$ on, but hopefully it will help out some of the local bands, and help me gain some experience as an engineer)
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General Opinion= IT FUCKING ROCKS, not kidding. I have never had any problems with it, it just works great. Team it up with Cubase or Nuendo and you have a great system to record with. The pre's are fairly nuetral as they dont color the sound too much. As far as tracking goes it is a beast, 8 xlr's, spdif in/out, and it also has midi in/out. Presonus is releasing their 2006 version of it called the FireStudio, it will have everything the firepod does with an ADAT in/out wich is awesome, you could connect an adat device like the Digimax or similar and have another 8 tracks to record with. I think the new firestudios are coming in around 900 wich means that if you wouldnt need more than 8 inputs wich i never had doing mostly local projects that the Firepod would be a great choice for you and they will prolly drop their price on it so you could get it cheap.
Basically its an intermediate to pro level device that can do just about anything the big boys can for less than half the price, I would definitely reccomend it. Oh yea and the potentiameters on it are awesome, they just feel awesome. GET ONE!
sorry for the long thread and the rambling but if you would like to hear some stuff I've done with mine let me know, ha keep in mind the mixing is so so.Hope this helps!
Jordan
Basically its an intermediate to pro level device that can do just about anything the big boys can for less than half the price, I would definitely reccomend it. Oh yea and the potentiameters on it are awesome, they just feel awesome. GET ONE!
sorry for the long thread and the rambling but if you would like to hear some stuff I've done with mine let me know, ha keep in mind the mixing is so so.Hope this helps!
Jordan
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deathtotaliban said:
i definitely appreciate your feedback, and would love to hear some drum recordings if you have any to share...i'm not a pro by any means when it comes to mixing, so i won't judge too harshly in that regard...the overall quality and how strong/clear sounding the drums can be are what i'm looking for
deathtotaliban
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alright man, i uploaded an mp3 of the latest shit ive done with this death metal band Ananiah. its drums and guitars and its pretty much done being mixed. Everything is natural except for the kick wich has andy's sample on it through drumagog. I used a shure beta 52 on the kick, beta 57's on the toms, sm57 on snare and sm58 on the bottom of the snare. The OH are MXL 990's. It was a Yamaha Stage Custom set with new evans g2 heads. heres the link... (2.7 mb) http://www.freewebs.com/triggerstudios/song4.mp3
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I actually have a question about the Hi-Hat mixing.
When I mic my hi-hat I get a lot of leakage of the "lows" of the toms. How do I actually mix those out? Anybody can help? What do you use as a "standard" EQ for the hi-hats?
I just like to have some good hi-hat sound. I use a Opus 53 on AAX stage hats (Sabian).
The best reference would be towards Arch Enemies Doomsday Machine on which the hi-hats sound so amazing!
When I mic my hi-hat I get a lot of leakage of the "lows" of the toms. How do I actually mix those out? Anybody can help? What do you use as a "standard" EQ for the hi-hats?
I just like to have some good hi-hat sound. I use a Opus 53 on AAX stage hats (Sabian).
The best reference would be towards Arch Enemies Doomsday Machine on which the hi-hats sound so amazing!
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Funky Animal said:
I'm prob out of my depth here, and have only started micing hats (that's what happens when ya get the ability to record 16 tracks at once!
), but i would treat them like cymbals and pull everything under 600k.You're really looking for that mic to bring the zing out, and for some clarity during tame or fancy sections.
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deathtotaliban said:
sounds pretty good...a bit too much click and not as much low end as i like on the kick drum, but not bad at all
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martyfireball said:I'm prob out of my depth here, and have only started micing hats (that's what happens when ya get the ability to record 16 tracks at once!
You're really looking for that mic to bring the zing out, and for some clarity during tame or fancy sections.
Really cool man, I also hope to have 16 channels one day
..Just need to find another Motu 1224 and I have 16
..I just gotta be patient..Thanks, I'll try to handle it like normal cymbals then...
It's exactly like you said, it needs to have some clarity and make those tame parts swing/groove and stand out..
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cobrahead1030 said:
I'm a drummer myself.
What I usually do is:
Practice the song dozens/hunderds/thousands/millions of times on a Tama Rythm watch, practice every fill seperate with the Tama Rythm watch.
When I go recording I usually do 2 - 4 takes, go one time over all the fills as a seperate and then call it a day for a song.
When I'm really in the mood, I just need 1 or 2 times for a song..
This does not mean I'm good, I think I'm a decent drummer but I practice the stuff I need to practice on for a long time, it helps a lot!
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Funky Animal said:
i'm the guitarist in my band, and the only one that practices with a metronome or programmed drumtrack religiously...if i sit down and concentrate, i can play thru most of our songs without any MAJOR mistakes (meaning ones that anyone other than me are likely to notice)
but even so, i record stuff one section at a time to make sure the articulation and overall feel of each part is right, and to make sure i nail those aggrivating pinch harmonics
our drummer is making progress tho, he IS capable of laying down tracks that meet my standard, which (altho they're not 100% prefect) isn't an easy thing to do (i'm the guy who's cracking the whip screaming "it's offtime...do it again!!!)
