Albums currently kicking your ass
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God damn, I never tire of banging my head to this. This is their best, IMO.
Agreed.
divine_torture
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First I've ever heard from them, and I'm really enjoying this. Well written, awesome riffs, epic, gloomy, and dark. Love it. Not groundbreaking, but still a little crisp and fresh sounding.
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No 
And I really, really want to. I'll have internet at my new place soon, so Spotify won't be my only means if hearing shit anymore. I'd use Youtube but that kills my data fast. Ugh. Based soley on the other recs you've given I know I'm missing out
And I really, really want to. I'll have internet at my new place soon, so Spotify won't be my only means if hearing shit anymore. I'd use Youtube but that kills my data fast. Ugh. Based soley on the other recs you've given I know I'm missing out
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well, like i've said, a lot of people who like the other stuff i've recommended don't like warning due to a certain... emo-ness? 
WFAD is one of my fav albums ever though.
WFAD is one of my fav albums ever though.
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oh i know that discussion kind of ended but i meant to respond about SABOTAGE. this idea that it's their most mature/adventurous/original record strikes me as a pretty strange opinion. it's far more permeated with r'n'r, pop-rock and prog tropes than anything which came before, all of which were way more commonplace in the early '70s than that thick, warm darkness of the earlier material; i can see why someone raised solely on metal might find it a refreshing change of pace, but in the context of the time i think it was a regression. it's also a bit of a tonal grab-bag, you can tell there's scant unity between the guys' ambitions anymore. like anyone, i love the dirty proto-thrash of 'symptom of the universe' (that song, at least, is waaaaay ahead of its time), enjoy the doomiest moments of 'megalomania', the disquieting bounciness of 'am i going insane' etc, but it doesn't exactly fit together into a coherent whole, and much of the rest doesn't hold a candle to the revolutionary power of most of the earlier material.
divine_torture
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well, like i've said, a lot of people who like the other stuff i've recommended don't like warning due to a certain... emo-ness?
I listen to Shining and Dödsferd, I can handle emo or whiny. But until I hear that, I'm quite distracted by this:
A "regression"? Im sorry, and I mean this in the most polite way, but I think you're full of shit here.
Sabotage may be a "grab bag" of musical styles, but that doesn't change the fact that the entire album is still a very experimental piece by Sabbath standards. It is cohesive, no matter what you think of it. And I think the album is simply of higher quality than the vanilla blues/doom of the first three, or the quite standard heavy metal of Vol 4 or Sabbath Bloody Sabbath.
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experimental 'by sabbath standards' is not the same thing as experimental 'by 70s rock music standards'. SABOTAGE is heavily influenced by a lot of the stuff early sabbath stood out from in the first place. arrangements are more complex than early sabbath though, i'll happily concede that.
thx for setting me straight on that one
you can not like them as much or whatever, but puhlease, this is just factually wrong. kinda sounds like you haven't heard some of these albums at all. the coked out sprawl of VOL. 4 wouldn't be "standard heavy metal" in any era since its conception, but particularly not back then when "standard heavy metal" wasn't even a thing. SABBATH BLOODY SABBATH is pretty damn proggy and only borderline metal half the time so that description sounds even more ridiculous in that case. frankly, aside from moments of filler here and there (the b-side of the s/t, for example), very little was 'standard' about any of those albums at the time they were released, and if it seems that way retrospectively it's only because they had such an overwhelming influence on all that followed.
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God damn, I never tire of banging my head to this. This is their best, IMO.
The last 3 albums by Coroner are fantastic, hard to nail down a best.
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The last 3 albums by Coroner are fantastic, hard to nail down a best.
Yes! I meant more that it's my favorite, not necessarily they're best. But Mental Vortex-dem riffs tho. And grin is straight up mosh worthy. Mmm....Coroner.
But y'see I wasn't saying it was "the most mature and adventurous 70s rock album", I was saying it was "the most mature and adventurous Sabbath album".
You're quite welcome.
I'm actually one of the biggest Sabbath fanboys you will ever meet tbh so yeah, your insinuation that I "haven't even heard" the earlier albums holds 0 weight.
Also your argument here basically amounts to "man Sabbath was there first sooo", so I fail to see how that is relevant. It is not 1975 anymore. Their albums have a clear sound that is not relevant to their place in the timeline. And bottom line, Sabotage is more intricately constructed and adventurous than any of the first five.
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Hole in the Sky is such an awful song. You can hear where every happy-go-lucky coyote poop rock band copied it. Because of it, Sabotage is one of those albums that I think is much worse than it actually is, even though I agree that the quintessential elements of what made classic Sabbath are generally watered-down in favor of experimentation that isn't so experimental in the grand scheme of things.
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"Megalomania" and "The Writ" are just as dark and doomy as pretty much anything on the first 3 Sabbath albums. The first 5 Sabbath albums are like being surrounded in a haze of weed smoke while Sabotage is them fucked up on as many fucking uppers they can find. Ozzy's vocals are out of this world. In fact, Sabotage might be the only album where Ozzy's vocal are the main highlight for me.
This is hitting all the right moods tonight. Good fucking atmospheric doom and I still got dat mancrush on Nemtheanga.
This is hitting all the right moods tonight. Good fucking atmospheric doom and I still got dat mancrush on Nemtheanga.
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your descriptions came across as very dismissive and reductive tbf
i think we're just using words like 'experimental' and 'adventurous' in different ways. to me such words imply a breaking away from traditions and trends, and some of your other comments led me to think you meant them that way, but if we're just talking about more intricate compositions then sure, i accepted as much already. still think it's a comparatively clumsy hotchpotch of diverse but often well-worn or fluffy styles (with some great moments to be sure), but you're entitled to disagree.
i agree with yoda that ozzy's vocals are awesome on SABOTAGE anyways. when were they ever not? <3
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Damn this album holds up well. Loved it as a teenager and it's really great to listen to now that I know Sabbath and Zeppelin's discographies.
Master_Yoda77
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They just weren't anything really special compared to the rhythm sections on the first 4 albums and the badass guitar work on the 5th.
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