Andy, how do you make the Gtr/Bass tones so seamless
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fabz
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Colin Richardson uses the same method, guitar tones first then bass, I tried doing it this way recently after sitting in on one of his sessions and their's no turning back...
Intuitively it's not the order i'd pick.... but I 'm pretty sure thats just from touring and live sound guys drilling the order into your head...
I found it allows you to get exactly the tone you want and then to use the bass to make the sound you got enormous... after all how many people rant about the bass sound on records, it's nearly always guitar tones
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Intuitively it's not the order i'd pick.... but I 'm pretty sure thats just from touring and live sound guys drilling the order into your head...
I found it allows you to get exactly the tone you want and then to use the bass to make the sound you got enormous... after all how many people rant about the bass sound on records, it's nearly always guitar tones
.C
Razorjack
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I work with guitar first if I have the ability to do so. I think I somehow missed where Andy said he did it that way.
fabz
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@kelch
http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=170343&highlight=bass
Here ya go!
I just typed in "bass" and there it was
Rock on duder!
http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=170343&highlight=bass
Here ya go!
I just typed in "bass" and there it was
Rock on duder!
thanks but that's not really my question even though I guess I stated it that way and Andy didn't give any insight in that thread.
my question really drives at sharing thoughts on how to get the bass to be an extension of the gtr in tone and function. is it EQ'd post tracking to nudge it towards the gtr, etc... as the thread title stated SEAMLESS
my question really drives at sharing thoughts on how to get the bass to be an extension of the gtr in tone and function. is it EQ'd post tracking to nudge it towards the gtr, etc... as the thread title stated SEAMLESS
Torniojaws
They call me Juha
What, you guys record bass before guitar? 
I've always recorded guitars first, then bass, since I started recording stuff in 2000 ;o
And nowadays, I do it a bit even less orthodoxally:
1) I record riffs to metronome
2) Then I arrange the riffs for the entire song
3) After the song is arranged fully (for the time being), I start to program the drums
4) Then I check that everything sounds good and the song works already at this point and save a copy to a new file named: Song Title [bounce] (year)
5) Then I bounce the guitars and export the programmed drums and import them (to free up resources)
6) I program all the electronics and samples
7) And only now, I record/program bass
8) Then finally vocals
I've always recorded guitars first, then bass, since I started recording stuff in 2000 ;o
And nowadays, I do it a bit even less orthodoxally:
1) I record riffs to metronome
2) Then I arrange the riffs for the entire song
3) After the song is arranged fully (for the time being), I start to program the drums
4) Then I check that everything sounds good and the song works already at this point and save a copy to a new file named: Song Title [bounce] (year)
5) Then I bounce the guitars and export the programmed drums and import them (to free up resources)
6) I program all the electronics and samples
7) And only now, I record/program bass
8) Then finally vocals
Well, I just apply all effects & processing to the bass and then just adjust it how it sounds like. There is no magic One Setting™ that makes the bass fit into any mixes in existence. Just listen to it and adjust
fabz
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Maybe this one will help:
http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=87661
http://www.martyfireball.f2s.com/noise101/noise101_protips1.htm <---Here you'll find a good collection of answeres to your questions!
http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=87661
http://www.martyfireball.f2s.com/noise101/noise101_protips1.htm <---Here you'll find a good collection of answeres to your questions!
nah, what I'm looking for isn't playing... that's a given. It's post production related.~BURNY~ said:
Well if you record the bass direct and clean and mix it with your distorted guitar, as far as I can tell, the reason why the bass sticks out is the mids and highs. In general, if you keep the top end distorted in a similar manner as the guitars and filter them out some and keep the low end fairly clean with some punch using a plugin like MaxxBass, it will make your guitars sound like they have an assload of low end without being muddy and you won't be able to pick out the actual bass playing as distinctly.
Of course, for this to work, your bass and guitar tracks have to be really tight. You can use some nudging to tighten it up, but having really tight tracks to begin with makes this much easier.
Of course, for this to work, your bass and guitar tracks have to be really tight. You can use some nudging to tighten it up, but having really tight tracks to begin with makes this much easier.
gumplunger, this is more on the lines of what I'm looking for. I've never considered just distoring the Bass top end. maybe filter the Bass track and reamp it thru the guitar amp and just use the top or something to this affect and then make it sit with the bass bottom and gtr
Exactly, a lot of people use a splitter to record direct and through an amp with some distortion at the same time and then use the mids/highs from the amp and the lows from the direct signal. There was a thread where people shared tips on doing this here in the past week or so.kelch said:
I'm familiar with the tech part of doing it... it's the different tricks of getting the seemless Gtr/Bass tone I'm after.
Torniojaws
They call me Juha
Oh yeah, that reminded me. Sometimes there's two bass tracks recorded for an album - one clean and one distorted, and they are blended.gumplunger said:
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fabz said:
+1
"Also with the bass, try getting the DI, run it through something like amp farm /sans amp and filter everything below 800hz-ish and above 2k-ish and mix it in underneath your main sound, see if it helps bring the bass out, especially on smaller speakers"
It depends whose material is it and what the band direction is as well , for example Acle ( tesseract ) can afford to get the bass and guitars sound seemless from before Post production because he plays everything. From memory acle uses a sanamp Bass driver and just a little compression and this allows him to get that seemless tone
or u can do it post production after satisfying the bass player's tone love by using the right compression and distorting , tips are all mentioned above and the trick is what to use when .
the way i do is to solo all the guitar tracks and bass tracks togther and do ur post production from there to get it to sound like a wall of sound , i find that heavy compression where the meters dont' move much at all( low attack and low release and - 20 on threshold and 30:1 ratio )plus a vst fuzz with 4 bands called quadrafuzz gets me the results
i want. C4 on the buss mix during mastering helps too .
or u can do it post production after satisfying the bass player's tone love by using the right compression and distorting , tips are all mentioned above and the trick is what to use when .
the way i do is to solo all the guitar tracks and bass tracks togther and do ur post production from there to get it to sound like a wall of sound , i find that heavy compression where the meters dont' move much at all( low attack and low release and - 20 on threshold and 30:1 ratio )plus a vst fuzz with 4 bands called quadrafuzz gets me the results
i want. C4 on the buss mix during mastering helps too .
Now what if the bass player actually plays basslines?(ala...steve d`giorgio,alex webster,john myung) and not just mirrored rythem guitar lines?
would you mix it along w/the bass drum in stead? or just leave it as its own seperate instrument(sounds dumb because it is a seperate instrument)
would you mix it along w/the bass drum in stead? or just leave it as its own seperate instrument(sounds dumb because it is a seperate instrument)
