Another rates/charging thread...

I'm not too worried about it, there's a place in North Carolina called Batcave, a national park called Batcave, a nightclub that was called Batcave, and like 3 other small recording studios kicking around across the world called The Batcave as well. No problem changing it if it becomes an issue though! I just thought it was kind of a cool/funny name ;)

The original idea was Gotham Studios :lol: but a friend suggested The Batcave and I just had no choice :lol: but Gotham Studios is a safer backup at least, there's no way that word can possibly be copyrighted : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotham


@digitaldeath: Yeah I need to get more stuff up, that is the only band I've recorded so far aside from my own stuff. Every week this summer that I am home from work I have a different band in the studio so I should put something together pretty quick. The studio isn't really gonna be "open for business" until late fall once I've built up enough of a portfolio to give a decent representation on the site. Until then I'm just doing some tracks with bands I'm friends with and finding volunteers from other genres to record for free, as a favor to me and a favor to the bands at the same time.
 
@digitaldeath: Yeah I need to get more stuff up, that is the only band I've recorded so far aside from my own stuff. Every week this summer that I am home from work I have a different band in the studio so I should put something together pretty quick. The studio isn't really gonna be "open for business" until late fall once I've built up enough of a portfolio to give a decent representation on the site. Until then I'm just doing some tracks with bands I'm friends with and finding volunteers from other genres to record for free, as a favor to me and a favor to the bands at the same time.

Sounds like you've got a nice bit of work lined up so, glad to hear. That will defo help with regards to attracting new clients. I think you've hit the middle ground quite nicely with regards to your prices, of course as you get more into working with bands you can adjust these prices accordingly.
Remember, if you go above $20k earnings per year you'll have to upgrade your Reaper license. ;)
 
Sounds like you've got a nice bit of work lined up so, glad to hear. That will defo help with regards to attracting new clients. I think you've hit the middle ground quite nicely with regards to your prices, of course as you get more into working with bands you can adjust these prices accordingly.
Remember, if you go above $20k earnings per year you'll have to upgrade your Reaper license. ;)

Gonna be awhile before that happens :lol:

I still work full time and am just doing this on the side, but with my job I work 14 days straight and then I get 7 off, and the 14 days I'm 3000km away from home and the studio. So I have a full week at the studio once every 3 weeks to do these projects which works out pretty nicely when it comes to doing it on the side. It's gonna be a while before I can justify leaving my real job to do the audio thing but with my schedule I can pretty comfortably do both which is a dream come true. I would gladly and could easily afford to do this for free on my time off so it's a great setup.

Also remember, those prices are Canadian dollars :lol:
 
I just found a really good local band and recorded them cheap since they were my first band and i was learning stuff as i went. Then i slowly raised my prices over the next few months. Now i switch between $200/song and $175 per day depending on if i think the band will take forever to record their stuff or not....it's usually not hard to tell
 
I just found a really good local band and recorded them cheap since they were my first band and i was learning stuff as i went. Then i slowly raised my prices over the next few months. Now i switch between $200/song and $175 per day depending on if i think the band will take forever to record their stuff or not....it's usually not hard to tell

How do you tell this through e-mail conversations without actually having them come in and seeing them play? Just sort of instinct based on your perceived level of their professionalism?

I'm thinking I might advertise some sort of "package deal" at an introductory price like was suggested earlier to entice bands to come in... I think that combined with the regular rates posted might make it seem like a good deal for a good product vs. just seeing the package deal price and thinking "oh it's cheap, it must be shit."

I offered to record my buddy's friend's band for free just to have some more work in my portfolio and they chose instead to go to this place out of town that was charging $300 for 3 songs tracked live off the floor with 50 copies on CDRs or something. Turned out like shit and I could've done an INFINITELY better job but because I was gonna do it for free they shrugged it off as a waste of their time :erk:
 
I am finally making the push to get out there and start recording other bands on a regular basis

Dude! Good for you man! :kickass:


Reasons for not posting rates:
-Every project is different, songs are different lengths, different number of instruments in different bands, etc.
-Charging by the song means you get screwed when a band can't play their instruments and takes way longer than expected to get the tracking done

These are valid points and reasons you should charge by the hour for tracking IMO.

-Charging per hour means you get bands who book 6 hours of studio time expecting to get a 5 song EP completely tracked, so after their time is up and it's not done, they have to try and book more time (which you can't fit into your schedule at this point because it's too late) or you have to push a shitty sounding product out the door with your name on it

See this is why maybe you should consider a hybrid. Tracking by the hour, mixing a flat rate, editing extra, mastering extra etc... As long as the song isn't a cluster fuck mixing with minimal editing should be doable and still sound okay :erk:.

-Public rates means you can't charge differently depending on the quality of the performances and you are expecting to get and the professionalism of the musicians

I assume you meant "and" there. There is no reason you can't ajust your rates if you need to for bands that are going to be a hastle, just be up front about it "if this takes longer than "X" then it's this much more (if you went on a per song rate).

All that being said, when you are brand new and trying to get your name out there, it is REALLY hard to expect bands to contact you when your name hasn't spread around yet and they can't just go to your website and get an idea of pricing.

For me it's been about the sound/price ratio. If the sound is good enough for the price I am charging I get bands. Although as of real late it's just been the sound so I'm likely to up my rates fairly soon.

I know if I was looking between 5-6 different studios to do a demo, the only ones I would bother contacting with serious intentions to record would be guys who I know have a great reputation from other bands in the scene. If I went to a brand new dudes webpage and he had 3-4 pretty good sounding clips but no pricing to give me any idea of what I'm expecting to pay, I would rather negotiate with the dude who has the reputation. People are lazy and want information hand fed to them, that's just how it is.

If that's the way you feel your scene is then just post them. Honestly though very few studio's in my area do, and I just get contacted. I think your 100% right on the "specialist" engineer though. If your known to get killer metal track out then focus on that, but certainly don't turn down other stuff.

So in the mean time, until I build a solid client list and a good reputation in the area, I feel like I need to post some sort of pricing purely as an incentive to get bands to bother contacting me at all vs. the more established guys, as I feel like having posted prices (even though it works to my disadvantage economically) gives me an advantage over guys who don't post prices as far as attracting clients to begin with.

Business is always somewhat of a gamble, go with your gut if this is what you feel is going to get d00dz in the door then do it.

What I ended up deciding on was a price of $100/ 8-10 hour day rate for tracking, $15/hr for any time booked in smaller segments (like 3-4 hours on a weeknight to track some vocals) and $40/song on top of that for mixing/"mastering"(ie. throw some plugins on there and try to bring it up to commercial levels as transparently as possible, I am no mastering engineer, I just need to get the mixes louder while keeping them sounding as close to the original mix as possible).

Sounds like a plan to me. Just keep track of your hours during the mixing/mastering phase to make sure your getting paid what you need to. Or you could have a "1-40 track is $40" "41-100 (or whatever) is $65.

On top of this, I included a quick note on the page that the pricing is a guideline designed to give you an idea of what budget to expect for recording with me and to contact me with specifics about your project if you would like to work out a project price/schedule for your particular situation.

Just make sure if you enter into negotiations on price that it ends up in writing!!!!


I think my rates are super cheap but I need to charge around there to get bands in at first. The shitty thing about the posted rates is that once I build the clientele and can raise the rates, everyone in the area already knows the rates I was charging before and I don't want to be looked down upon as that greedy asshole jacking his prices. This obviously isn't a problem when you negotiate prices per project.

Fuck that mentality dude! Businesses raise their rates all the time! Have you noticed how food has jumped up in cost over the past year? My haircuts have gone up $2 in the past year and that's almost an 8% increase. Besides if your like me any any of the locals around here when you do raise your rates, you usually have nicer facilities/equipment that justifies it. Eventually everyone has to raise their rates, cost of living/inflation!


Part of me still wants to just charge "per song" as that makes it super easy for bands and means I'll get more work, but bands paying $100/song are obviously broke, and rarely are broke, young, lazy musicians also super tight talented musicians, which makes the tracking process a bit of a nightmare as far as timeframe goes. Like I said before though, charging a day/hourly rate also means you end up with bands with totally unrealistic expectations of what can be accomplished in one day, at least when aiming for the quality that I want to put out in order to build a good reputation.

Yeah I hear you, and your right about the broke being lazy and young as well. Shit sucks.


Good luck with this endeavor man!