Atlas Shrugged

Nate The Great

What would Nathan do?
May 10, 2002
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Should I read it?

Some people say its a bit dry, but of course it is often times considered the second most significant book ever published. That's what I hear, at least.

Dick or any of you other literary freaks . . . can you comment on this?
 
I sort of liked it, although I guess it shows a bit too many egotistical tendencies at times. And she rants way too much! Some speeches just never stopped, haha! But if you're a fan of objectivism, go for it! If nothing else, it has a nice story-line, even though the characters are horribly one-dimensional.
 
TERRIBLE book, for many reasons.

1) Rand is a BAD writer. Her descriptions are no better than an 8th grader's, she repeates herself endlessly, and she has absolutely no sense of style.

2) Her characters are robots. Each is the emblem for some ideal. They aren't actually characters, with flaws and believability. When you read her novels, you almost hate every character, not because they are bad people but because they are so simple and boring.

3) Her philosophy stinks. Not only does it stink, it's unoriginal. Emerson said more in 10 pages that she says in 1,000. She stole a lot from Nietzsche as well. Not only is she unoriginal, but her SYNTHESIS of philosophy is contrived, simplistic and black-and-white. If you want to read 1,000 pages on how selfishness, corporations and every right-wing program is glorious, then have fun. You know, I could read a book like that (despite my disagreement) if it was at least interesting and somewhat groundbreaking.

Yes, I have read AS (and The Fountainhead and Anthem) and back when I was 16 I found her ideas charming. Now that I've learned to think, I realize that her books are just laughably bad. I actually re-read AS this year for a philosophy class and sat through 6 lectures where my teacher did nothing but trash the book. I can send some of those lecture notes if you want, they pretty much dismantle her in every way. We also had some woman professor from Texas talk about how awesome Rand is. She got pwned as well.

My verdict = waste of time, you probably won't learn anything. It's only important because it's a conservative's wet dream in book form (they have to have SOME "literature", right?).


IF you are going to read Rand, start out with "Anthem". Its politics aren't too revolting, it's short and I think Rush based 2112 on it.
 
I won't read it then. I simply CAN NOT read a book with poor character development. That's the curse of majoring in English/Creative Writing. Every movie I watch and every book I read, I'm constantly thinking "Is this character realistic?" or "This character is lacking 'blank'".

Oh well . . .
 
By the way, I've had a pretty bad streak of finding books lately. I've been reading Dan Simmons' 'Illium' right now, simply because I can at least get some enjoyment from his stuff. Plus it is based on the Iliad. I just haven't found many literary books that facinate me recently.

Its like listening to the new In Flames because I can't find anymore Neurosis. At least I can enjoy it while I'm in the moment . . . so to speak.
 
CV: are you referring to the guy that came up with laissez-faire shitz?

Nate: have you tried Thomas Pynchon yet? Maybe you'd like "The Crying of Lot 49". Weird, complex and dazzling novella. And if you're looking for character, I'd suggest anything by Chekhov (although you're probably already familiar with him).
 
Dick Sirloin said:
TERRIBLE book, for many reasons.

1) Rand is a BAD writer. Her descriptions are no better than an 8th grader's, she repeates herself endlessly, and she has absolutely no sense of style.

2) Her characters are robots. Each is the emblem for some ideal. They aren't actually characters, with flaws and believability. When you read her novels, you almost hate every character, not because they are bad people but because they are so simple and boring.

3) Her philosophy stinks. Not only does it stink, it's unoriginal. Emerson said more in 10 pages that she says in 1,000. She stole a lot from Nietzsche as well. Not only is she unoriginal, but her SYNTHESIS of philosophy is contrived, simplistic and black-and-white. If you want to read 1,000 pages on how selfishness, corporations and every right-wing program is glorious, then have fun. You know, I could read a book like that (despite my disagreement) if it was at least interesting and somewhat groundbreaking.

Yes, I have read AS (and The Fountainhead and Anthem) and back when I was 16 I found her ideas charming. Now that I've learned to think, I realize that her books are just laughably bad. I actually re-read AS this year for a philosophy class and sat through 6 lectures where my teacher did nothing but trash the book. I can send some of those lecture notes if you want, they pretty much dismantle her in every way. We also had some woman professor from Texas talk about how awesome Rand is. She got pwned as well.

My verdict = waste of time, you probably won't learn anything. It's only important because it's a conservative's wet dream in book form (they have to have SOME "literature", right?).


IF you are going to read Rand, start out with "Anthem". Its politics aren't too revolting, it's short and I think Rush based 2112 on it.

hahah oh man I love dick
 
Dick Sirloin said:
CV: are you referring to the guy that came up with laissez-faire shitz?

Nate: have you tried Thomas Pynchon yet? Maybe you'd like "The Crying of Lot 49". Weird, complex and dazzling novella. And if you're looking for character, I'd suggest anything by Chekhov (although you're probably already familiar with him).

I'll look into Pynchon. He's an author I have heard a lot about, but I'm pretty sure I never read any of his stuff in any class.
 
If you're looking into Pynch, start with one of his first 3 (V., The Crying..., Gravity's Rainbow). I'm pretty sure Chromatose hates me for reccomending GR and ruining his life.
 
Dick Sirloin said:
If you're looking into Pynch, start with one of his first 3 (V., The Crying..., Gravity's Rainbow). I'm pretty sure Chromatose hates me for reccomending GR and ruining his life.

Whatever you do, DON'T READ GRAVITY'S RAINBOW.


(I took a break from reading GR to post this)


I do wish I had started with Pynchon via V or Lot 49.. but too late, you gotta do what you gotta do.
 
Dick Sirloin said:
TERRIBLE book, for many reasons.
haha finally i get some support for this. who was it i was arguing with about Rand? maybe it was the opeth forum. dont remember. anyway, i TRIED to read AS and it sucked so bad i had to send it back to the library. i DID give her a chance btw, by reading some critical reviews of her philosophy - all of which were negative hahahahaha
 
Yea, I think Reign in Acai is the only person I've ever encountered who has enjoyed Ayn Rand's writing. I actually just finished reading the Virtue of Selfishness for college.....ehn...
 
I read the first few pages of Atlas Shrugged and tried to stab my face off. I think objectivism is pretty dumb though.

Nate: read Salman Rushdie

Dick: I can't seem to finish Vineland, you need to convince me to get Gravity's Rainbow anyhow.