Australia is the greatest place on earth because...
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Shannow
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Part of the problem WRT to bludgers is that the unemployment rate has an "optimum".
Unemployment rate drops, interest rate goes up, employers can't borrow, and it forces it back down.
The system is geared that 4-6% of people must lose, to ensure stability of the system.
There are going to be people, and up to 6% of the potentially working population who are kept out of the workforce to keep the wages of the other 95% in check.
Some percentage of that 6% are going to be hard workers who don't want a handout.
Unemployment rate drops, interest rate goes up, employers can't borrow, and it forces it back down.
The system is geared that 4-6% of people must lose, to ensure stability of the system.
There are going to be people, and up to 6% of the potentially working population who are kept out of the workforce to keep the wages of the other 95% in check.
Some percentage of that 6% are going to be hard workers who don't want a handout.
Southy
Proud Brisbane Metaller
Yeah, I understand that, but around here, is nothing but low lives who are happy to moan about things not going their way, while doing nothing about it
Shannow
Stunt Plough Rider
I do get your point.
The people that we know with the biggest TVs are those who choose not to work.
The people that we know with the biggest TVs are those who choose not to work.
Goreripper
Metal as fuck
And I think there needs to be a definite delineation between those unemployed people who want to work, but can't find a job, and those who really are just bludging.
After I got out of uni at the end of 91 I spent three years on the dole. When I'd been knocked back for every job I applied for over an 18-month period, I actually stopped looking for work for almost a year because I didn't see the point. I wasn't bludging, I'd just had enough of the rejection. I couldn't even get work washing dishes. I wanted to work, but I was just sick of not finding any.
After I got out of uni at the end of 91 I spent three years on the dole. When I'd been knocked back for every job I applied for over an 18-month period, I actually stopped looking for work for almost a year because I didn't see the point. I wasn't bludging, I'd just had enough of the rejection. I couldn't even get work washing dishes. I wanted to work, but I was just sick of not finding any.
Blitzkrieg
Master Exploder
Blitzkrieg
Master Exploder
Though you are still recieving the dole, just not making a real effort, so you would still be counted in that situation yeah?
You have to be working or actively seeking work to be part of the labour force, and the unemployment rate is the proportion of the labour force that isn't in work. So yeah you can be on the dole but not actually looking for a job, and therefore not counted as being unemployed as such.
Blitzkrieg
Master Exploder
But one of the requirements of the dole is attending employment agency meetings and handing in forms with proof of job applications. Even though you might be doing a half arsed job with no ambition of actually getting any of the jobs you express interest in or whatever, technically you are job seeking, so all dole payment recievers would have to be counted yes?
Blitzkrieg
Master Exploder
Shannow
Stunt Plough Rider
Nah, Howard came in, and declared that the long term unemployed must have some reason for being such, and made DSS find a reason, any reason to declare them disabled...moved them from unemployed to disabled.
Made the figures look good for a while, then declared war on the bludging disabled who weren't...which he had put there.
Have had two neighbours, both single Mums who have been coached how to stop working, what to tell their doctors, all to get to the point at which they are disabled. One through a non progressive bowel cancer, and the other through being a git and falling down her own stairs.
Made the figures look good for a while, then declared war on the bludging disabled who weren't...which he had put there.
Have had two neighbours, both single Mums who have been coached how to stop working, what to tell their doctors, all to get to the point at which they are disabled. One through a non progressive bowel cancer, and the other through being a git and falling down her own stairs.
Blitzkrieg
Master Exploder
As good a place as Australia is, I am getting more and more fed up with boganism and small minded racist bullshit. Fuck.
It comes down to what people respond in the Labour Force Survey. They may pretend to Centrelink that they're looking for work, but if they give the ABS interviewer the honest answer that they're actually not, they won't be counted as being part of the labour force.
Yeah there is rather a lot of boganish racism that goes on these days! What was it that gave you the shits?
Yeah there is rather a lot of boganish racism that goes on these days! What was it that gave you the shits?
Blitzkrieg
Master Exploder
Ahh now I understand what you mean!
A number of things really. The couple of tossers on my FB page which I notice you saw for one. Living in one of the whitest regions in Australia really does suck. I am constantly surrounded by narrow minded fuckwits.
A number of things really. The couple of tossers on my FB page which I notice you saw for one. Living in one of the whitest regions in Australia really does suck. I am constantly surrounded by narrow minded fuckwits.
TinMan666
Member
I'm with you guys. I moved from a probably 99% white area to the inner city where you get a mix of all different races and backgrounds. I decided my favourite thing about Australia is the multiculturalism, but that depends heavily on exactly what area you live in.
totally agree about centrelink and bludgers too. I've only been out of work for a few short periods of time in the past 15 years, and each time was made to feel like I was some sort of lazy scumbag looking for a free ride - even the time when I didn't apply for the dole until i was running out of savings due to putting myself through training that would help me get a new job. Meanwhile there's bludgers I've known who haven't worked a day in 10 years and they seem to just get handouts with no scrutiny.
nothing's ever perfect and there's always something we can (legitimately) complain about, but on the whole it's a pretty awesome place and it's easy to forget how good we have it.
totally agree about centrelink and bludgers too. I've only been out of work for a few short periods of time in the past 15 years, and each time was made to feel like I was some sort of lazy scumbag looking for a free ride - even the time when I didn't apply for the dole until i was running out of savings due to putting myself through training that would help me get a new job. Meanwhile there's bludgers I've known who haven't worked a day in 10 years and they seem to just get handouts with no scrutiny.
nothing's ever perfect and there's always something we can (legitimately) complain about, but on the whole it's a pretty awesome place and it's easy to forget how good we have it.
Shannow
Stunt Plough Rider
Going to be interesting going onto the dole when the libs get in.
Had ugly talking face on tele tonight justifying $2600/week maternity leave for high paid women, rather than labor's min wage approach.
"You don't advocate a system that pays people a flat wage regardless of responsibilities and skills do you ?"
Should translate well into better dole payments in the future for those made redundant etc.
Had ugly talking face on tele tonight justifying $2600/week maternity leave for high paid women, rather than labor's min wage approach.
"You don't advocate a system that pays people a flat wage regardless of responsibilities and skills do you ?"
Should translate well into better dole payments in the future for those made redundant etc.
