Avid HEAT vs cranesong Phoenix
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This won´t help much but,
Can´t say that I´ve done a fair comparison between them, cause I never put Phoenix on every channel in a mix.
Just used Phoenix on separate stuff that needed a bit more balls.
Don´t use the Phoenix much anymore tho, just the heat on everything cause it´s so damn easy to setup and sounds good.
Heat can be both "tapey" and "tubey" depending on which way you set the drive knob, and I use the one that sounds best on the specific material.
Usually "tube" = clockwise, but it´s different from mix to mix.
From the HEAT manual
The Drive control introduces non-linear process- ing that emulates magnetic recording tape com- bined with harmonic information commonly found in analog gear. Turning the Drive control counter-clockwise emulates a tape based non- linear distortion (odd harmonic, starting with the third and fifth. As you increase the level on tape, or in this case the Drive control level, the harmonic content increases and higher fre- quency odd harmonics are added. A tape re- corder also contains record and reproduction equalizers that modify the harmonic content.
The result is a sound that fattens up the bottom and midrange of a recording and smooths high frequency transients as you increase the process. Turning the Drive control clockwise has a more aggressive effect, while adding an even har- monic series commonly found in triode tube cir- cuits to the odd harmonic series. This can give the effect of prized tube microphones and other tube based analog gear.
Note that the harmonic structure changes with signal level and the amount of processing being applied, just like it does in a tube and the analog world.
Can´t say that I´ve done a fair comparison between them, cause I never put Phoenix on every channel in a mix.
Just used Phoenix on separate stuff that needed a bit more balls.
Don´t use the Phoenix much anymore tho, just the heat on everything cause it´s so damn easy to setup and sounds good.
Heat can be both "tapey" and "tubey" depending on which way you set the drive knob, and I use the one that sounds best on the specific material.
Usually "tube" = clockwise, but it´s different from mix to mix.
From the HEAT manual
The Drive control introduces non-linear process- ing that emulates magnetic recording tape com- bined with harmonic information commonly found in analog gear. Turning the Drive control counter-clockwise emulates a tape based non- linear distortion (odd harmonic, starting with the third and fifth. As you increase the level on tape, or in this case the Drive control level, the harmonic content increases and higher fre- quency odd harmonics are added. A tape re- corder also contains record and reproduction equalizers that modify the harmonic content.
The result is a sound that fattens up the bottom and midrange of a recording and smooths high frequency transients as you increase the process. Turning the Drive control clockwise has a more aggressive effect, while adding an even har- monic series commonly found in triode tube cir- cuits to the odd harmonic series. This can give the effect of prized tube microphones and other tube based analog gear.
Note that the harmonic structure changes with signal level and the amount of processing being applied, just like it does in a tube and the analog world.
I have both. Long time Phoenix user-one of my favorite plugs. I still use it for shaping individual tracks. I would never use Phoenix on every track in a mix like you can use HEAT. Phoenix is more crude (volume change) but I combine Phoenix with HEAT when the need arises for "more" on an individual track. HEAT can be good for getting a mix together quicker if the source tracks are average quality. With well tracked material you can still enhance-color the sound but I find less is more with well tracked material. Being able to bypass HEAT to hear what is really going on in a mix and turning it back on is good for reference purposes. As well as Phoenix I like using Dave Hill's RA along with HEAT. Dave is one smart guy...but not a web designer.
I've just used heat on one miy that didn't have it on before...and FUCK ME, it just made that mix sound twice as good.
I LOVING this!
I LOVING this!
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AB clips are a bit difficult atm, cause I'm not allowed to post the stuff I'm working on atm....
and if I used an old project I'll really like the HEAT version better and start feeling bad about having sent out a project that'd have sounded much better now...nah, I don't wanna put it on any of the finished mixes, that'd drive me insane.
but I'll post something ASAP
and if I used an old project I'll really like the HEAT version better and start feeling bad about having sent out a project that'd have sounded much better now...nah, I don't wanna put it on any of the finished mixes, that'd drive me insane.
but I'll post something ASAP
gabriel g.
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I know exactly what you mean. I had the same situation with vcc and specialy with the neve emu on guitars.
It made them sound sooooo mich better that i felt sorry for the band because their cd was released
It made them sound sooooo mich better that i felt sorry for the band because their cd was released
gabriel g.
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checked out heat at lasses studio yesterday. what a great software!!! sounds absolutly awsome.
not that subtile like vcc. a bit more in your face.
the integration into protools is amazing.
if you own heat you wont need vcc (no matter if they are different things and blablabla they are making the mix more 3d and glued)
I think I am switching to protools and hope they bring out a native counterpart
not that subtile like vcc. a bit more in your face.
the integration into protools is amazing.
if you own heat you wont need vcc (no matter if they are different things and blablabla they are making the mix more 3d and glued)
I think I am switching to protools and hope they bring out a native counterpart
