Azal, wtf is going on in Belgrade?
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Dead_Lioness
Godless
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what I meant with the smilie or what's happening? ..... azal will post the answer eventually, I guess.
I believe azal will be fine, wise people know how to stay safe.
I believe azal will be fine, wise people know how to stay safe.
slashvanyoung
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Dead_Lioness
Godless
Last week I looked into that "overseas work", but being based out of D.C. and starting at 31K, it sounded a bit lame. The 2-3 years part seemed Ok though. If you hear of anything in Asia, let me know
* Funny that one of the A-holes burning the embassy today got caught up and crispified in the process.
31K sounds like a crappy goverment job... depends on the job, but most of the jobs start a lot higher than that...
But I'll keep you posted
Will Bozarth
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slashvanyoung
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Will Bozarth
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azal
love is the answer
azal
love is the answer
the dude with the penguins avatar, despite his poor taste in sport teams, pretty much has the idea of the entire situation in a nutshell.
everyone else in the thread that tried to say something pretty much came off like the typical redneck, ledmagian American that can't even find Kosovo on a map, much less try and understand the history behind it and why it's "such a big deal."
everyone else in the thread that tried to say something pretty much came off like the typical redneck, ledmagian American that can't even find Kosovo on a map, much less try and understand the history behind it and why it's "such a big deal."
slashvanyoung
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azal
love is the answer
It's not really a question that can be answered.
As a Serb, the love for Kosovo as the place where the Serbian culture was born, where battle were fought for centuries and where 12th century Serbian churches stand (even though I'm an atheist), cannot really be denied or compared to anything American's can related to, since they do not have a comparable heritage, they don't have a mythology. (unless you want to count Holywood)
There is too much history behind all this to waste time writing about it on a message board. Some say Kosovo was lost because of Tito, some say it was Milosevic.
I, unfortunately, look at Kosovo as a bum leg. Despite how much I would like to have a leg, and how much I need a leg, how much this leg and I have been through, at this point it is better to amputate that shit before the gangrene spreads any further. A lost cause.
Unfortunately, some politicians here would rather keep the leg and stay getting head from a small but vocal number of girls who admire stubborn and blind faith than cut it off...ok I can't really finish the metaphor, I think I've stretched it to the limit.
As a Serb, the love for Kosovo as the place where the Serbian culture was born, where battle were fought for centuries and where 12th century Serbian churches stand (even though I'm an atheist), cannot really be denied or compared to anything American's can related to, since they do not have a comparable heritage, they don't have a mythology. (unless you want to count Holywood)
There is too much history behind all this to waste time writing about it on a message board. Some say Kosovo was lost because of Tito, some say it was Milosevic.
I, unfortunately, look at Kosovo as a bum leg. Despite how much I would like to have a leg, and how much I need a leg, how much this leg and I have been through, at this point it is better to amputate that shit before the gangrene spreads any further. A lost cause.
Unfortunately, some politicians here would rather keep the leg and stay getting head from a small but vocal number of girls who admire stubborn and blind faith than cut it off...ok I can't really finish the metaphor, I think I've stretched it to the limit.
slashvanyoung
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Glad to see that you got a sophisticated look at this. I think I'd come to the same conclusion. All this shit is rooted in the early 20th century and even back further. And we're also had a fair share at messing things up in the Balkan.
azal
love is the answer
without sounding like a Serbian nationalist, Kosovo is now a haven for drug smuggling, human trafficking and organized crime.
New York's drug dealing is controlled by Albanian mafia, and the Albanian lobby in the US is very, very strong.
Coupled that with the fact that Serbia is a historical ally of Russia, there is really no secret that the U.S. is acting very rashly, violating international laws and setting a precedent for granting independence illegally without the approval of the UN Security Council, while protecting its interests.
The same can be said for the NATO led bombing of Serbia in 1999, which was also spearheaded by the US. Yes, Milosevic did committ atrocities against Albanians in Kosovo, but Serbs were being pushed out of the province since 1989, and after 1999, all Albanians who were in Kosovo before then remained in Kosovo, while 200,000 Serbs left the province. So its really ethnic cleansing by one or the other, depending on who you ask - the way it always was in history, except now you have the media which can demonize an entire nation at the drop of a button, which makes such situations all the less black and white.
New York's drug dealing is controlled by Albanian mafia, and the Albanian lobby in the US is very, very strong.
Coupled that with the fact that Serbia is a historical ally of Russia, there is really no secret that the U.S. is acting very rashly, violating international laws and setting a precedent for granting independence illegally without the approval of the UN Security Council, while protecting its interests.
The same can be said for the NATO led bombing of Serbia in 1999, which was also spearheaded by the US. Yes, Milosevic did committ atrocities against Albanians in Kosovo, but Serbs were being pushed out of the province since 1989, and after 1999, all Albanians who were in Kosovo before then remained in Kosovo, while 200,000 Serbs left the province. So its really ethnic cleansing by one or the other, depending on who you ask - the way it always was in history, except now you have the media which can demonize an entire nation at the drop of a button, which makes such situations all the less black and white.
Dead_Lioness
Godless
Didn't know that!
From what I've read so far, I think I agree with that
My friend Ana from Serbia, who's dating my friend (the one that in the previous post I mentioned he now can't probably go to get engaged there this May) is coming over to my house tonight for dinner...
I'll ask her for her opinion and what she has to say.
The only really good OBJECTIVE news I could find about it, was on an Israeli newspaper... so I don't know much about that situation...
Be safe Azal!
azal
love is the answer
yeah, objectivity is really hard to find.
you can imagine how it is here, I don't really give my opinion publicly about letting Kosovo go, even my mom calls me a traitor.
hopefully, the majority of young people here who are very intelligent and pro-European will win out in the end and not give up to the handful of politicians who resort to hate and scare tactics to keep their careers afloat.
From my first hand exprience over the last five years living here, It would be a shame for Serbia to back into self-isolation because of Kosovo, because the young people here have a lot to offer the world.
you can imagine how it is here, I don't really give my opinion publicly about letting Kosovo go, even my mom calls me a traitor.
hopefully, the majority of young people here who are very intelligent and pro-European will win out in the end and not give up to the handful of politicians who resort to hate and scare tactics to keep their careers afloat.
From my first hand exprience over the last five years living here, It would be a shame for Serbia to back into self-isolation because of Kosovo, because the young people here have a lot to offer the world.
Dead_Lioness
Godless
Azal: I'm asking you this because I'm trying to understand better, and not because I formed an opinion:
1) don't you think that giving Kosovo is wrong and was done only for bad politics? (and muslim European take over?) why whould Serbia be quiet again after taking their rights, publically? (AGAIN)
2) Kosovo is legally a serbian territory...... correct?
3) Maybe now since Kosovo is a "country" (according to Germany, France and the UK who agknowlege them) would help end this tiring discussions and "civil" war?
1) don't you think that giving Kosovo is wrong and was done only for bad politics? (and muslim European take over?) why whould Serbia be quiet again after taking their rights, publically? (AGAIN)
2) Kosovo is legally a serbian territory...... correct?
3) Maybe now since Kosovo is a "country" (according to Germany, France and the UK who agknowlege them) would help end this tiring discussions and "civil" war?
azal
love is the answer
it was wrong when taking a textbook look at the situation. It is under the sovereignty of Serbia, it is a part of Serbia's internationally recognized territory.
Over the majority of 2007, Serbs and Albanians negotiated, with Albanians demanding nothing short of independence, and Serbia offering nothing more than widespread autonomy.
I think that kosovo was given to the albanians because it would easier for unhappy Albanians to spark new conflicts in the province against the 10 percent non-Albanian population, than it would be for Serbia to start violence against the Albanians. So in order to avoid another war, kosovo was recognized, in my opinion.
Also, it is important to note that, after the 1999 bombing and after pushing the Serb military out, the UN assumed adminstrative control over Kosovo with 16,000 NATO peackeepers in the region as well. So while it is technically Serbia's territory (guaranteed by the UN Resolution 1244 which brought the UN mission) it was only nominally Serbian, and belgrade really had zero control over what's going on there.
Except for in the north, where the majority of Serbs live, which Serbia helps financially.
In my opinion, a partition would have been the best solution, giving the 3 northern-non-Albanian municipalities to Serbia, but neither the Albanians nor Serbs wished to consider such a deal during negotiations.
Over the majority of 2007, Serbs and Albanians negotiated, with Albanians demanding nothing short of independence, and Serbia offering nothing more than widespread autonomy.
I think that kosovo was given to the albanians because it would easier for unhappy Albanians to spark new conflicts in the province against the 10 percent non-Albanian population, than it would be for Serbia to start violence against the Albanians. So in order to avoid another war, kosovo was recognized, in my opinion.
Also, it is important to note that, after the 1999 bombing and after pushing the Serb military out, the UN assumed adminstrative control over Kosovo with 16,000 NATO peackeepers in the region as well. So while it is technically Serbia's territory (guaranteed by the UN Resolution 1244 which brought the UN mission) it was only nominally Serbian, and belgrade really had zero control over what's going on there.
Except for in the north, where the majority of Serbs live, which Serbia helps financially.
In my opinion, a partition would have been the best solution, giving the 3 northern-non-Albanian municipalities to Serbia, but neither the Albanians nor Serbs wished to consider such a deal during negotiations.
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