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It's more for hardcore fanboys because it takes a lot more viewing/examination, analysis and interpretation to even come close to getting a grasp of than the OT. Which essentially means that you have to LOVE Star Wars enough to take the time to do that.

The EU bit has more to do with the Clone Wars era stuff and newer EU that has been written around the time of the prequels and follows the same general theme. All of the Clone Wars comics and other prequel stories tend to follow the same philosophy of blurring the line between what is right and wrong, challenging characters and taking a broader view of a major crises.

Btw, I'm not one of those assclowns that obsesses over what is "canon" or not. I accept what I feel is necessary to my personal view of Star Wars and I leave behind the irrelevant/poorly thought out shit. Some of the ridiculous crap these authors come up with doesn't matter to me, but the EU is the heart and soul of Star Wars, neither trilogy comes close to it and I'll continue to indulge in it in my own way, which only seems right to me.

Yeah, and Crimson Empire, among many other stories, made me want to cry. Damn right, kill that fucker!!!!!1

But pretty much, we'll just agree to disagree about which films we like better. Like I said, they're COMPLETELY different sets of films and we all come to Star Wars with different wants/needs.
 
WARNING: Fucking huge nerd rant. Ignore unless you have an obsessive interest in Star Wars.

Opeth17 said:
Personally, I think most of the flaws that people see in the PT wouldn't exist if they understood the context of the time within the galaxy. People try to dissect these new films without examining any of the elements of society, spirituality and politics within the time. The PT films are essentially made for hardcore fanboys and if you don't understand a lot of the outside story that is essential to their viewing, you're just not going to get it. People try to examine each prequel as an individual film, when they're each installments in a MUCH larger picture. Most I've talked to that hated TPM, now enjoy it because ROTS helped them understand a lot of things that stood out at the time. ANH was a one-off style film, TPM wasn't. You can't judge it the same way.

Yeah, this may be a little confusing. What I was going for here isn't EU related at all, it's about understanding where the galaxy is at at this point in time and how that affects basic things such as acting, graphics etc. that so many whine about.

Honestly, I don't know if it was planned this way by Lucas, as it seems a long shot, but his decision to create the prequels when he thought the technology was right for the story was actually a brilliant idea. The Republic of the Prequel era is SUPPOSE to be crisp, clean, perfect, beautiful. From the outside it is suppose to be the ideal picture of a utopian society. From the frilly architecture on Naboo, to the flamboyant dress of those across the galaxy. Even though the Republic is rotting inside, it's a FORMAL time period and the story is based around those on the top of society. This story focuses on Royals, Politicians, Jedi. With technology at it's current point, Lucas was able to exploit how this society was suppose to look through CGI and create things he wouldn't have been able to in the past. Even looking at something such as Anakin and Padme's relationship, the social standards of the time and their position in society goes a LONG WAY toward explaining their awkward scenes. It's a courtly love, it's a Queen/Politician and a Jedi. It's two people who are not suppose to feel that way. It's forbidden and so they do their best to keep up the appearances that they're suppose to and act a certain way. It's SUPPOSE to be corny and awkward. They're suppose to be restraining themselves at every turn and it's exactly why everytime they're together it's such a mish-mash of emotion that the whole thing turns goofy. It was planned that way people, it's not simply bad acting.

What we're exploring here if you want a comparison, would be society and love in 1950s America vs. what it was in the 60s. There are radical changes and if people had put these things in context, they'd have a better understanding of the films. The Republic was rigid and formal and when it fell, everything about that society came crashing down around it, opening things up for the OT. The visuals are dirtier, everything is down to earth, real, this is the Empire. The time of Jedi, the Knights and their Medieval society, is over and the gunslinging west of the OT era has been created. The OT is based on a grittier era. Our story begins on a backwater world following around a farmboy who runs into a smuggler and our story takes off. The OT is about bounty hunters, mercenaries, rebels, scum. Even when you see Leia and the Imperials, you can tell that any sense of formality has been driven off and it's just a free-for-all society. Whereas Anakin always had to hold down his emotions and try to "act like a Jedi should", you have someone like Han, who's just a normal guy hiding out in a society that's easy to get lost in. He has NOTHING to hold him back and that's why his character is so witty and charming. It's why he holds nothing back when he goes after Leia and puts it all on the line. He can flirt and be off-color, hell, even the Senate is disbanded now. Nobody cares, it's very much like the American West. The Empire has opened everything up and as long as you don't fuck with them, it's pretty much anything goes for all you rabble.

By examining Anakin and Padme's relationship and Han and Leia's, you get a pretty decent picture painted for you about just how different one era is from the other(among a hundred other examples). Too many people slag the prequels because of the CGI, because of "bad acting" and the most retarded thing I've ever heard of, an inferior storyline. This huge rant is just one example of what I'm talking about. People not connecting the dots or giving these films the chance they deserve seems to be a result of people not wanting to be challenged, not wanting to take the time to figure out the greater reasons why something doesn't make sense or rubs them the wrong way and perhaps just a general laziness in the sense that, "I'd rather take this at face value and slag it off as crap without any real reason than try to make sense of something." I'm not saying that's the case with anyone in this thread, because if you actually just read all of this, you deserve a medal, but with the greater community at large. I'm not saying the prequels are objectively better blah blah, just that I don't see how someone who truly enjoys Star Wars wouldn't at least like these films, the same way I LOVE the OT, despite what I consider its flaws.
 
I read all that, but I've never seen the prequel trilogy so I have no idea what you're talking about. In fact, I've never even seen the originals, I've only seen the remakes.
 
i read all your babble opeth17, and you have some interesting points about the PT and the differences in what they were going for etc. i really need to see the newest one again, i was so fuckin high in the theater i walked out having absolutely no idea what i just saw. next time i see the new movies i'll try to keep this shit in mind. still, there is no excuse for jar jar binks.
 
Just finished up BattleShit Galactica earlier in the week. "They Have a Plan." Uhh no they don't, unless civil war, and unveiling the final five, while allowing them to remain on board galactica to meander about is the plan. Aside from Starbuck's teats, there wasn't a single likeable character on the show by the end of the run. Colonel Tigh was a saving grace and about as manly as Fred Mertz until he was unveiled as small wonder's grandpa. Lee Adama is a flip flopping piss ant idealist, pockmarked Adama has rage issues, Roslin's cancer battle was cringe worthy, Helo was pussy whipped, etcetera. I was hoping for a nice twist at the end, and all I got was gazelles. Fucking stupid!

Currently half way through Firefly and digging the hell out of it. How that show lasted one season, while BSG had a run of 4 is beyond me. Thanks Fox!
 
It was good until cylons and humanity became one big happy family. "We killed 55 billion of your species 4 years ago, can we bury the hatchet and be friends?" Fucking stupid!
 
I'm one of the rare ones who loved ALL of Battlestar Gallactica. Yeah sure it peaked at that one episode with the Bob Dylan cover (end of Season 3?), but I loved it all, including the end.

EDIT: Firefly and Cowboy Bebop are likely the two sci-fi things I enjoyed the most. At least from the modern era. The Day The Earth Stood Still is probably my #1 ever, if I had to choose, which I don't want to.
 
I'm one of the rare ones who loved ALL of Battlestar Gallactica. Yeah sure it peaked at that one episode with the Bob Dylan cover (end of Season 3?), but I loved it all, including the end. EDIT: Firefly and Cowboy Bebop are likely the two sci-fi things I enjoyed the most. At least from the modern era. The Day The Earth Stood Still is probably my #1 ever, if I had to choose, which I don't want to.

Cowboy Bebop is the greatest anime series ever in my humble opinion
 
Cowboy Bebop is the greatest anime series ever in my humble opinion
Yes. That and Neon Genesis: Evangelion both rule immensely hard. Evangelion is pretty up and down though, depending on the episode and one's frame of mind. Cowboy Bebop is undeniably perfect.

I didn't read all the Star Wars nerdout in this thread. I love love love the first movie, love love the second, loved the third as a child, and the prequel shit can suck it. Never bothered with the comics or books. Honestly, I don't find Star Wars all that amazing beyond nostalgia.

^^^ In 4 years I'll bump this thread just to call myself a dipshit for that remark.