bass on morningrise

so i guess im wrong then. Mike doesnt write all the music for Opeth? i couldve sworn thats what i've read, heard, and watched him do on the dvd. i recall Bass Player playing something and then Mike going, "no, no, like *this*." Can someone clear this up for me?
 
i believe mike just gives some kind of directions while mendez writes the bass lines. he couldnt have come up with all of them, you know.

...like he shows them to mendez on the bass and mendez goes "uh huh" and nods his head and tries to play what he was just shown like a bonobo.
 
I always thought that the bass in morningrise was more prominent than other albums, well I've just always like it more...

Dorian Gray, you probably know alot more about Opeth than me, but can you really go by the dvd to say that Mike has written basically everything?
:Off Topic, Dorian Gray was the best character ever written yes?!
 
amaranth said:
I always thought that the bass in morningrise was more prominent than other albums, well I've just always like it more...

Dorian Gray, you probably know alot more about Opeth than me, but can you really go by the dvd to say that Mike has written basically everything?
:Off Topic, Dorian Gray was the best character ever written yes?!
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mike has said himself, that since MAYH he has been writing all the music. he says if the guys want to add an idea, or have input, it's no problem. obviously lopez's drumming are his own ideas, besides some parts mike might have in mind ahead of time that HAS to be in the song or whatever.
 
dorian gray said:
so i guess im wrong then. Mike doesnt write all the music for Opeth? i couldve sworn thats what i've read, heard, and watched him do on the dvd. i recall Bass Player playing something and then Mike going, "no, no, like *this*." Can someone clear this up for me?
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you were watching mike teaching bass player the fill riff in deliverance after the first verse:

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AnTz0r said:
you were watching mike teaching bass player the fill riff in deliverance after the first verse:

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yes, this was a certain part that may not have sounded right unless it was with the guitar.
 
<crimson> said:
obviously lopez's drumming are his own ideas, besides some parts mike might have in mind ahead of time that HAS to be in the song or whatever.
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so why shouldn't that be true for the bass? i agree that bass is much closer to guitar than drums are.. but if all the albums would have been written entirely by mike, the bass would have sounded like on mayh...

mendez doesn't just _play_ the instrument better than mike, he _knows_ it better.. that's a normal fact, and it enables him to have some creative input in the making of the bass lines..

also, what themoor666 said is right: you can see it clearly on the dotf vid (the nevermore show) for example.
 
prowlergrig said:
so why shouldn't that be true for the bass? i agree that bass is much closer to guitar than drums are.. but if all the albums would have been written entirely by mike, the bass would have sounded like on mayh...

mendez doesn't just _play_ the instrument better than mike, he _knows_ it better.. that's a normal fact, and it enables him to have some creative input in the making of the bass lines..

also, what themoor666 said is right: you can see it clearly on the dotf vid (the nevermore show) for example.
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i never said that mike knows bass beter...clearly mendez does, he's a fucking bassist! as for the writing, i'm sure he does his own shit too, but i dunno why they say mike writes all the music then. why wouldn't it just be said mike writes the guitars n lyrics.
 
I totally agree with Don Carleone.Mendez is awesome bassist but johan did great job on morningrise.If there is a good bass player in the band you can understand while you are listening to their songs.It can be a way of some riff or some attack and opeth does that.I think mike has gave the idea in his head and johan plyed it in his own way.
And i do like the bass on morningrise.(Althought,Opeth is using the bass very well on the albums as everyone has said before)
 
Ok folks, i'm seriously confused as to why you guys are considering Mr. Mendez (formerly "Bass Player") to be such a great bass player. Now, I'm not quoting because I don't remember anybody using that word but the consensus seems to be you guys worship him...as well as the rest of the band. Why is that? Yes, Mike Akerfeldt is an incredible, fantastic musician but it's up in the air whether or not Lindgren is because Mike writes the music for him. As for Lopez and Mendez, come on guys - Lopez is neither incredibly skilled nor very original, and Mendez plays bass for a fucking death metal band. He may be an incredible player - I'd just like to know how you guys know that. Is he in a secret band or something?
 
an example... the slap part in bwpark, mike probably told mendez 'dude i want a slap part here', but mendez probably chose what to play and how to play it

but it's still safe to say that mike wrote the whole song.

dorian... i don't praise peter too much either, he's a good guitarist tho.. but lopez to me is a really good drummer: just look how well he adapts to the different styles of playing needed in various parts... and live he adds different fills, to keep the music interesting. he's a very versatile player. mendez is also a good bassist, sometimes it's just a little harder to notice him.

also, i've read interviews where mike says that peter used to write some guitar lines in the first opeth period... this may be a coincidence, but i've always thought that maybe a small part of the reason why opeth gave up dual guitars is because of mike having all the writing duties..
 
prowlergrig said:
dorian... i don't praise peter too much either, he's a good guitarist tho.. but lopez to me is a really good drummer: just look how well he adapts to the different styles of playing needed in various parts... and live he adds different fills, to keep the music interesting. he's a very versatile player. mendez is also a good bassist, sometimes it's just a little harder to notice him.
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i agree that Lopez was a treat to watch live. In fact, I was more impressed with him than with any other member at that show. Yet, I think his reputation is overblown here on the forum. Sure, that's to be expected because it *is* an Opeth forum, but I'm just not falling for it. Mendez may very well be a great bassist. Not in Opeth though. There's no way one can say he is a great bassist simply from his work with Opeth.
Cheers.
 
dorian gray said:
There's no way one can say he is a great bassist simply from his work with Opeth.
Cheers.
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yep, because he doesn't show off. and it's probably better that way.
there are certain moments where his parts shine through. that's true for most good metal bassists, though, so i see where you're coming from

let's just say that he's a good musician who enjoys what he does and fits well with the music..

and let's wait for the martins' side project (i remember it being mentioned in some interview), where they'll blow us away with their greatness :worship:
 
Even if Akerfeldt wrote the bass lines on Orchid and Morningrise, I'm about 99.999999% sure he didn't write all the variations and fills that make them so interesting. Listen to all the noodly crap that's going on in say...the outro of Nectar, I'm completely sure Akerfeldt didn't write all those fills and tell him where to play them.

As for Mendez vs whatshisnametheoldguy, I'd say the old guy's lines are FAR more interesting to listen to, but Mendez's give a more solid foundation to the songs (and are actually more fun to play imo). :P
 
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