I'm thinking Engl Blackmore or Savage 120, anyone else have any better suggestions? I'll be using mahogany bodied Caparison guitars with EMG85 pickups through a V30 loaded Marshall cabinet and a V30/G12T75 loaded Bogner cab.
Best amp to compliment 5150 for Carcass tones?
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If it's Carcass you're looking for specifically and intend to run both heads at once, why not duplicate (or come close to) their rig with a high-gain Marshall- 900 SLX or 30th Anny, as per Heartwork? Alternately, a DSL/TSL, dialed in right, could probably cop tones from either of those.
You were getting some nice Marshally tones from the Blackmore, though. And the Savage is a Swede-metal staple. Can the Savage do the Blackmore's tones?
You might want to check out a series II Stiletto if you come across one. I have a series I, and while it doesn't have the gain you're looking for, it definitely has an agressive Marshall-y vibe to it. The series II tightens up the red channel and adds 30% more gain. The loop is really nice, too. It plays nicely with my TC M-One and Line 6 rack delay, so it should have no issues with your G-Major. Mesa finally put a decent loop in something.
BTW, when did you pick up the 1960AV cab, and didn't you have 2 Caparisons? I saw yet another change to your infamous gear sig on HC and didn't see anything posted about 'em.
You were getting some nice Marshally tones from the Blackmore, though. And the Savage is a Swede-metal staple. Can the Savage do the Blackmore's tones?
You might want to check out a series II Stiletto if you come across one. I have a series I, and while it doesn't have the gain you're looking for, it definitely has an agressive Marshall-y vibe to it. The series II tightens up the red channel and adds 30% more gain. The loop is really nice, too. It plays nicely with my TC M-One and Line 6 rack delay, so it should have no issues with your G-Major. Mesa finally put a decent loop in something.
BTW, when did you pick up the 1960AV cab, and didn't you have 2 Caparisons? I saw yet another change to your infamous gear sig on HC and didn't see anything posted about 'em.
the heartwork sound is very interesting.....it's REALLY thick, almost to the point where it becomes muddy, but not *quite* there. when i listen to it without really paying attention to the sounds, it seems to be rather muddy, but if i listen carefully (e.g. when figuring something out) it's all clear and defined. definitely a masterpiece.
however, i think the drum sound on that disc is what stands out the most. perfect balance of kick and snare...the snare could be a tad brighter, but i'm a huge fan of 80's ballad super reverb heavy "whitesnake meets savatage" snare sounds, so go figure
however, i think the drum sound on that disc is what stands out the most. perfect balance of kick and snare...the snare could be a tad brighter, but i'm a huge fan of 80's ballad super reverb heavy "whitesnake meets savatage" snare sounds, so go figure
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How much gain does that JCM 900 SL-X have? Is that the one channel high gain model? I've never played the Savage, but I really liked my Blackmore, and it did have a somewhat Marshall-y tone. I just ordered the Marshall cab last week, I really missed having an all V30 cab. The second Caparison will be on it's way soon, I just have to wait until I get the cash for my Powerball, which the guy seems to be having some problems with, lucky me huh?
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Tried something out in this thread here, based on the tube/solid state mulit-amplifier combination.
http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=236078
It's not Carcass tone, that's for sure, but it is an interesting texture.
http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=236078
It's not Carcass tone, that's for sure, but it is an interesting texture.
dude, i know my marshalls, and i used to own a blackmore. actually, i bought the blackmore just because of all the internet "marshall on steroids", "huge marshall like midrange with more growl" hype. prior to that i used a jcm800 and i was looking for something exactly like that, the huge marshall mids with more growl and punch.Mark_Palangio said:
the blackmore does not in any way shape or form sound like a marshall. i tried HARD to make it work, but it didn't deliver. have you ever turned it up? i agree, in the bedroom it kinda has that 5150 meets marshall quality. it's one of the best low volume amps i've ever owned and played.
however, as with all engls, turning the volume up equals turning up the suck factor. unlike a marshall - esp. a good marshall like a jcm800 - it becomes REALLY thin and REALLY lacks esp. low mids. the bottom end punch was just fine, but the highs are just way too glassy which makes for a very thin high volume tone no matter what. and believe me, i know my shit, i know how to dial in an amp.
i found that using a lot of gain live *kinda* added some thickness, but i'm a low gain player, therefore the blackmore did not deliver for me.
seriously, i really do not get all those blackmore-marshall comparisons. in a live and loud setting a good marshall has huge mids, just enough bottom end to keep it from sounding thin, and a lot of smooth highs that do not rip your head off. consequently, it sits perfectly in the mix. the blackmore on the other hand had way too many highs even with the presence off and the highs around 10:00, suffers from a severe lack of mids and low mids even with the contour engaged and the mids around 14:30 and in general just does not blend well with other amps esp. with - guess what - a marshall.
IIRC a fellow forum mate (hexer) saw my band live when i still had my blackmore. maybe he can further comment on that issue from a spectators point of view.
besides, my FOH engineer knows his shit, and even he thought my marshall (and now my 5150 block letter head) kicked the blackmore all over the place, no contest.
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Fragle said:
Fragle said:
My opinion of the Blackmore's tone in Mark's old clips is based entirely on Mark's old clips. I've never heard the Blackmore in another context or seen/heard one in person, so I can't comment otherwise.
Mark_Palangio said:
The SL-X is indeed the one channel high gain model. IIRC, Marshall refers to it as a two channel amp, but the second "channel" is no more than a footswitchable second master volume, equivalent to the solo boost function on Mesa heads. It has more gain than a channel switching 800 but less than than the JCM 2000s. That's plenty of gain to get heavy; I have some clips of the other guitarist in my band with a JCM 800 2205 that are absolutely brutal. I thought they were his Recto.
What do you think of the 1960AV, by itself and compared to your Bogner cab? I've loved every Bogner head I've played through, but I haven't had the chance to play through one of their cabs, as the one Bogner dealer in the area no longer stocks 'em for lack of buyers- too upscale, I guess. I have a 1960AV myself, and all that's around here to compare 'em to is other Marshall cabs, Mesa cabs (thanks to GC), and crappy cabs I wouldn't be bothered with anyway.
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Fragle said:
They still have the 800's agressive voicing and clear, deep bottom end while having significantly more gain than the single channel 800s/JMPs.
I A/Bed my '76 JMP 2204 and JCM 2000 TSL and there was no comparison in terms of clarity and agression. The TSL had loads more gain and still got percussive and chunky when turned up, but it had a much looser attack and muddier bottom than the old JMP. The JMP didn't have nearly the amount of bass available- the TSL has a bass boost switch- but the bass control seemed to affect a deeper frequency and the bottom end was much clearer and tighter. Overall, the JMP is a far brighter amp- it was still plenty bright gigging with the treble and presence on 0. The tone controls on old Marshalls are very limited compared to more modern amps, so it's not too much of a stretch to have your controls on 0 or 10.
Anyway, it's been my experience with a number of Marshalls that they really need some volume through them to sound their best. The older they are, the more this becomes necessary- even a boosted JMP master volume or JCM 800 sounds pretty anemic at bedroom levels. The SL-X or something like a DSL should be passable, though. Palm mutes get really chunky and percussive if you have them dialed in right and turn up. Vintage 30s are a good choice to tame their inherent harshness- I've always hated the treble on Marshalls; whatever frequency that controls is really unappealing to my ears.
i totally agree with you, except for the last 3 sentences. i HATE v30s with my marshall (actually i've yet to get a good sound with a v30 loaded cab regardless of the amp i'm usingExocaster said:
). as for the treble, i think it's in the extremes. treble on 10 sounds like crap on most amps....i usually have it around 11:00 to 1:00 depending on the volume - the higher the volume, the less treble i'll dial in, as the speaker breakup makes up for any treble loss imho. plus i always run the presence at zero.
