Black Metal Survey

[V.V.V.V.V.]

Even the early stuff is death-y in one way or another, and thus not pure black metal by any means.

 

[Έρεβος]

How many of you labelled Zyklon as black metal? If you go by their first album, I'd say so, but the last two have been more death metal, but the black metal elements have always been present.

I'd call all their stuff more towards death metal, but with a good deal of black metal elements as well. I just call 'em death/black metal, but if I had to pick one or the other I would not call 'em black metal.

 

[Astraldragon]

Taken, I also found the question about explaining black metal to someone that's never heard, but then again I haven't been that great at explaining anything. I thought that the questions were very good and made me think. And it was cool that you put Cryptopsy in their even though it was pretty obvious they aren't black metal, they're one of my favorite tech death bands.

 

[~Derek~]

I stated Zyklon as a non-blakc metal band. The screaming vocals seem to be there, but it seems deathy.

 

[Susperia]

How many of you labelled Zyklon as black metal? If you go by their first album, I'd say so, but the last two have been more death metal, but the black metal elements have always been present.

I labelled them Black because the only stuff I've heard is earlier material.

 

[Alteredmindeath]

Then you would know them as Zyklon B now they are just Zyklon= death metal.

 

[Nico]

Zyklon B is not Zyklon.

 

[Alteredmindeath]

Zyklon-B
The first of the great black metal "side projects" that are halfway bitter humor, halfway serious artistic pseudopods exploring new territory.

Blood Must be Shed
Malicious
1995

Production: Mounted under a sheet of distortion and tonal echoing, this music preserves its tone by blasting it inside out.
Review: In the face of nihilism, some choose the course of invention and others choose rage. Somewhere between the two is Zyklon-B, an obvious side-project of simple, almost only sketched in songs in the black metal and grindcore tradition with a strong melodic noise arrangement and production tendency.

It is to little effect, however, for these songs are put together from obvious fragments of scales and repeated basic melodic arrangements, causing the experienced listener to perceive it as a cross between show tunes and death-march music sped up on tape.

Indeed one of the distinctive characteristics of this music are the blasting pumpbeats racing by under the kicking double-bass and wailing snare; above it a cymbal whips and a slashing tempo upholds the high-hat, hit. With all guitar buried in the wash it neatly integrates with the drums to produce a clipping pattern interrupting a sonorous but vapid melody.

Tracklist:

1. Mental Orgasm (2:54)
2. Bloodsoil (2:25)
3. Warfare (5:35)
Length: 10:56

Copyright © 1995 Malicious


Far from the worst of this genre this music nevertheless takes it nowhere and seems to be less serious than raging, unrepentant energy; the culmination of this style of work is in the final song "Warfare," which adds a more sublime melodic sense and ripping guitar solos under a keyboard wash to create a scary, brutal song. Like other songs, it is built from abrupt changes and decorated with samples, but here the combination works in an altogether more powerful aspect than the previous two songs.

This is an EP of three songs, at eleven minutes of music, and as such may seal its fate as the first of the truly outrageous side projects in black metal. Boasting Ihsahn on keyboards and Samoth on guitars from the band Emperor, this plays into the simple but effective formula of the side project: sketches of inspiration laid out for

 

[cookiecutter]

Samoth is in both bands but they are different.

 

[Alteredmindeath]

I was refering to Susperias comments about it being black metal when they were Zyklon B now they are just Zyklon death metal. New or Old Samoth is Zyklon he was in both bands.

 

[Έρεβος]

I was refering to Susperias comments about it being black metal when they were Zyklon B now they are just Zyklon death metal.

They are not the same band, and Zyklon is not a band that sprouted from Zyklon B. The name of "Zyklon" is not even refering to the same thing as "Zyklon B" does.

 

[Nico]

You make it sound that Zyklon B changed their name and their sound. The two bands are different entities regardless of Samoth's involvement.

 

[Alteredmindeath]

They did change their sound and it is 2 different bands with different members but SAMOTH wrote most of the guitar music for both bands.

 

[Έρεβος]

They did change their sound and it is 2 different bands with different members.

They didn't "change" their sound, because there was no transition for a change to take place. They are absolutely separate bands.

Zyklon-B was a Norwegian black metal band founded in 1995.

The band’s members were Tomas "Samoth" Thormodsæter Haugen (guitar and bass) and Vegard "Ihsahn" Sverre Tveitan (keyboard) from Emperor, Kjetil "Frost" Haraldstad (Drums) from Satyricon and Björn "Aldrahn" Dencker Gjerde (vocals) from Dødheimsgard. The band recorded only one EP; other versions of the featured songs were featured on split releases with Mayhem and Swordmaster.

The band Zyklon featuring members of Zyklon-B is often thought to be the same band, which is wrong. As the name refers to Zyklon B, a gas used in gas chambers during the holocaust, Zyklon-B stated they were an apolitical band.


Zyklon is a Norwegian blackened death metal band formed in 1998 by members of Norwegian black metal band Emperor Samoth and Trym, as well as former members of Myrkskog in order to make up for the fact that Emperor were no longer playing live. Despite Samoth being in a previous Emperor side project called Zyklon-B, the two are not related; while Zyklon B is the name of a lethal gas, Zyklon is, according to Samoth, a play on the word "cyclone." All the bands lyrics are written by ex Emperor drummer Faust who is currently a member of Casey Chaos' side project SCUM and Italian Industrial black metal band Aborym.

 

[Nico]

Different members, different musical ideas. The two are not comparable, regardless of Samoth's involvement. Do you need this further illustrated?

 

[Alteredmindeath]

Thats what I meant the sounds from, ZYKLON B (first band with word Zyklon in it) does not sound like newer ZYKLON( 2 completely different bands yet Samoth is a member of Both bands). I did not mean Zyklon B changed their sound or evolve as a band with original members into Zyklon, because Zyklon B you had Ihsahn on Keyboards and they only had one release etc.. Now Trym is the drummer for the new Zyklon which is fronted by Secthdaimon from Myrkskog, and I have read Samoth saying Zyklon is more death metal. The first album World ov Worms which has a high black metal Emperorish elements to it, is not like the last 2 of the 3 releases which if listened to are more death metalish than the debut album.

 

[Nico]

What in the holiest name of Christ are you fucking talking about?

 

[Hatebreeder]

I like neither Zyklon. Kinda boring, actually. Anaal Nakrath is better.

 

[Jrgen]

Taken.

 

[~Derek~]

I like neither Zyklon. Kinda boring, actually. Anaal Nakrath is better.

The song by Zyklon "Submersive Flesh" has grown on me, it's a good song but Zyklon is just a decent band to me.