Funeral_Eclipse
Under the Oak
- May 24, 2004
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well you could go to www.metalcoven.com and thats a webzine..you could go to the forum..all nice people too..and they'll let you know anything you want
Black metal vocals
- Thread starter ShadowOfDeath
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MFJ
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Hey man, if you're interested in hearing underground black metal stuff, check out my band Aegrimonia if you'd like (see my signature). You might like "Slaughter in Winter"
hey by the way, I listened to your song and I really dig it!
hey by the way, I listened to your song and I really dig it!
Hexer
Member
schadowofdeath: you can record more than a minute even with the windows recorder (thoug I'd really recomend something else for recording): just record one minute (it will stop then), than go to the end of the recording and click "record" again (it will record up to another minute) do this as often as you need (you can record some minutes of silence, then go to the beginning of the recording and record the music over the silence)
Ill post some of my music-stuff (Black/(melodic)death/thrash-stuff) to when it's ready. but not within the next few days, because i have a bad cold at the moment, so the vocals would probably sound very shitty....
Ill post some of my music-stuff (Black/(melodic)death/thrash-stuff) to when it's ready. but not within the next few days, because i have a bad cold at the moment, so the vocals would probably sound very shitty....
Thanks hexer, hadn't realized that, i'll try it out....but when i get some cash i'll probably buy some software that records better 
Marksveld said:
I'm not a huge fan of melodic stuff, like a bit of it...and have to say i liked your work a lot.
MFJ
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MFJ
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I don't really have anything to back this coming statement, but its just my theory. I think Varg got his unique tortured vocal style because really when we went into vocals for the first time, he didn't exactly know how it do it. He didn't plan on a style or anything, he just used what came out. Its an evil cry... thats just my idea.
hmm...i was wondering...
since i recorded that sample i haven't been able to figure out how i got those vocals, now i do it and it's a lot worse and has been for a couple days...anyone know what i should try doing to get that style down?
since i recorded that sample i haven't been able to figure out how i got those vocals, now i do it and it's a lot worse and has been for a couple days...anyone know what i should try doing to get that style down?
Artificial_Eternity
Slay the Nazarene
- Nov 6, 2004
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I've just started trying to do BM vocals, but when I do it, after a bit it really starts to hurt the back of my throat. Also, its really quiet. Any tips?
Nefarious_
Messiah with no disciples
OK, I've been doing BM style vocals for about a year and a half now and people have asked me how I do it. I have always replied that I really can't explain the technique, it just happens, and it isn't painful.
However, I recently found this
Also, I was in the studio recording vocals for my technical thrash band "Carnage" the other day. I started off using this mega expensive condenser microphone that the college had just bought and the vocals sounded completely shit, really airy and hollow. I switched to my usual Sure SM58 and things sounded much better. So this got me thinking about my whole technique and how much a microphone can colour the sound.
So I will attempt to explain the basics of high-pitched vocal technique.
Start by saying "O, A, E" out loud. You should notice that before the sound of the vowel actually comes out of your mouth, there is a very small kinda "uhh" sound. It's very small and you wont notice it unless you're listening for it, it's part of the attack of the sound. This is basically vocal fry. Try saying the same three vowels again but this time, don't let the main body of the sound start, stay in the vocal fry at the beginning. It should sound a little like a forced whisper. This is the basic technique as far as I can tell. To make it into a useable vocal style, you'll have to apply some force from the diaphragm (just kinda push from your stomach) to project the sound. It should sound raspy and evil Once you've got the basics then you should develop the technique yourself, I can't really tell you how to improve because everyone is different.
How do you know you're doing it right? Well, it shouldn't hurt at all, if it hurts, you're doing it wrong, anyone that says it should hurt is wrong and you'll damage yourself if you follow his or her advice. When I do it, I sometimes feel a slight "tightness" in my head, especially on 20+ second screams, if you're not careful you can get light-headed and even pass out, and you won't look very evil or "kvlt" if you feint like a pussy. This happens because you're not letting enough oxygen get to your brain as it's all being used up from screaming, passing out is your bodies defence against this as you should breathe normally when you pass out. As far as I know this is not dangerous at all, you'd pass out before you could actually cause brain damage or anything. Just remember to breathe in the right places and you should be ok.
This "tightness" in the head is actually a sign that you're doing it right. How hard you push from your stomach and how much air you use is one of the hardest things to get right. I find that for recording you need a really loud headphone mix so that you have to really belt out the vocals to be heard. Live is usually ok because you have the volume of the rest of the band to contend with. If the PA and levels are set up properly then you shouldn't have too much trouble finding the optimum pressure for the vocals.
EQ'ing and the kind of Microphone you use also play a nig part in the sound. If you enhance the treble and take off most of the mids and bass, then the vocals sound more "blackmetalish" whereas boosting the mids can give you a more "messy" sound that's better for thrash or grindcore, if you ever get a chance to record your vocals, make sure you play around with the equaliser settings. If you have subtones in your screaming voice, they can be eliminated with EQ, or boosted to give you a more "tortured" vocal sound live the vocals on War by Burzum. While I'm on the subject, subtones are both useful and a pain in the ass. You should try to practice controlling subtones as much as possible, you can go for nearly all subtones and a bit of vocal fry to get that "varg vikernes" sound I was talking about or you can go for mainly vocal fry and some subtones to get a sound like Alexi from Children of Bodom or Petri Lindroos from Norther. Most vocalists try to get rid of subtones completely though, but you should remember that they have their uses and can be used to great effect to add feeling or enhance certain parts.
However, I recently found this
at http://www.vocalist.org.uk/voice_registers.html
Also, I was in the studio recording vocals for my technical thrash band "Carnage" the other day. I started off using this mega expensive condenser microphone that the college had just bought and the vocals sounded completely shit, really airy and hollow. I switched to my usual Sure SM58 and things sounded much better. So this got me thinking about my whole technique and how much a microphone can colour the sound.
So I will attempt to explain the basics of high-pitched vocal technique.
Start by saying "O, A, E" out loud. You should notice that before the sound of the vowel actually comes out of your mouth, there is a very small kinda "uhh" sound. It's very small and you wont notice it unless you're listening for it, it's part of the attack of the sound. This is basically vocal fry. Try saying the same three vowels again but this time, don't let the main body of the sound start, stay in the vocal fry at the beginning. It should sound a little like a forced whisper. This is the basic technique as far as I can tell. To make it into a useable vocal style, you'll have to apply some force from the diaphragm (just kinda push from your stomach) to project the sound. It should sound raspy and evil
Once you've got the basics then you should develop the technique yourself, I can't really tell you how to improve because everyone is different. How do you know you're doing it right? Well, it shouldn't hurt at all, if it hurts, you're doing it wrong, anyone that says it should hurt is wrong and you'll damage yourself if you follow his or her advice. When I do it, I sometimes feel a slight "tightness" in my head, especially on 20+ second screams, if you're not careful you can get light-headed and even pass out, and you won't look very evil or "kvlt" if you feint like a pussy. This happens because you're not letting enough oxygen get to your brain as it's all being used up from screaming, passing out is your bodies defence against this as you should breathe normally when you pass out. As far as I know this is not dangerous at all, you'd pass out before you could actually cause brain damage or anything. Just remember to breathe in the right places and you should be ok.
This "tightness" in the head is actually a sign that you're doing it right. How hard you push from your stomach and how much air you use is one of the hardest things to get right. I find that for recording you need a really loud headphone mix so that you have to really belt out the vocals to be heard. Live is usually ok because you have the volume of the rest of the band to contend with. If the PA and levels are set up properly then you shouldn't have too much trouble finding the optimum pressure for the vocals.
EQ'ing and the kind of Microphone you use also play a nig part in the sound. If you enhance the treble and take off most of the mids and bass, then the vocals sound more "blackmetalish" whereas boosting the mids can give you a more "messy" sound that's better for thrash or grindcore, if you ever get a chance to record your vocals, make sure you play around with the equaliser settings. If you have subtones in your screaming voice, they can be eliminated with EQ, or boosted to give you a more "tortured" vocal sound live the vocals on War by Burzum. While I'm on the subject, subtones are both useful and a pain in the ass. You should try to practice controlling subtones as much as possible, you can go for nearly all subtones and a bit of vocal fry to get that "varg vikernes" sound I was talking about or you can go for mainly vocal fry and some subtones to get a sound like Alexi from Children of Bodom or Petri Lindroos from Norther. Most vocalists try to get rid of subtones completely though, but you should remember that they have their uses and can be used to great effect to add feeling or enhance certain parts.
Nefarious_
Messiah with no disciples
hmmm...I think I know the gag reflex you're on about. I think you can generally avoid this by warming up, having something to drink, and not straining so much from the throat, try to do more work with the diaphragm instead.
You may also have your tongue too far back in your throat, that could cause gagging, you should be able to do a simple "yaah" type scream with the tip of your tongue touching the back of your bottom front teeth. Other than that, I'm not sure what advice I can offer, just keep practicing I guess.
You may also have your tongue too far back in your throat, that could cause gagging, you should be able to do a simple "yaah" type scream with the tip of your tongue touching the back of your bottom front teeth. Other than that, I'm not sure what advice I can offer, just keep practicing I guess.
Baletempest
Singer of Strange Songs
Erik: I can tell you for a fact that the vocals on Transylvanian Hunger by Darkthrone are all harmonized and Limbonic Art are the classic example of how to used vocal synth correctly, as for Varg then I'm gonna agree with you, thats total bull.
As for my reccomends the best thing is to growl/rasp/shreik with as much energy as possible, I've exhausted myself in rehersals without moving, a good way to practice is literally to prectice one of you faveroite songs (my housemates getr terrified when I play Phobophile) oh and always gurgle or snarl for a bit before hand or even go for a jog just to warm your throat up. it may sound stupid but it works.
As for my reccomends the best thing is to growl/rasp/shreik with as much energy as possible, I've exhausted myself in rehersals without moving, a good way to practice is literally to prectice one of you faveroite songs (my housemates getr terrified when I play Phobophile
) oh and always gurgle or snarl for a bit before hand or even go for a jog just to warm your throat up. it may sound stupid but it works.