Blastbeats

[El_Gato]

I hate blasts at the same velocity (either in volume and sound), but the drummer usually has to hit the snare harder in these parts so it won't get lost. But also play the kicks a bit softer as they tend to play them much louder. It's only the drummers hands/feet and comp. Maybe some automation if not a experienced drummer. UP THE DYNAMICS!

 

[John_C]

If you're properly pounding the kit during a normal section, there's no way that you can suddenly hit 250bpm blast beats at the same volume.

 

[Erkan]

If you're properly pounding the kit during a normal section, there's no way that you can suddenly hit 250bpm blast beats at the same volume.

This is exactly what my post was saying.. but it seems as I wrote it while being sleepy or something since some people seemed to have misinterpreted it

It just isn't possible to pound the snare as you do in a slow groovy rhythm when playing a blast beat. I don't think it's even physically possible. I lift my arm way up in the air and let my wrist "lag" to sort of create this whip motion which gives your snare hit a ridiculous boost in power. It's just not possible to do the same motion with the same power at 250 BPM, and that is why I'm negative towards records that portray this unrealistic image of drumming.

It's the same as auto tune in my eyes. I don't think any of us likes to over-use auto tune but we can agree that a little bit is good just to polish things up. Well the same thing goes for drums... compression and leveling is good on blast beats to even things out, but when every hit sounds the same as a strong slow snare hit, it's just wrong. Unrealistic... and what's the point with that? I don't enjoy guitar solos where every note has been cut up to be PERFECTLY in time/pitch/whatever, and I certainly don't enjoy Cher's auto tune vocals.. you get the picture What happens when bands like that play live? Oh god :O

 

[GarethSE]

If all drummers were as good as John Longstreth then we wouldn't have to have this discussion

 

[doclegion]

all i gotta say is Derek (FUCKIN) roddy he hits the same

I practice hitting the same i feel like its easier to mix live and recording that way it dont end up missing on my songs i learned that from roddy

 

[_Brutalism_]

This is a major problem which ticks me off when listening to new metal releases.

Listen to Ingested to get a true idea of how shit this sounds when done wrong.

No way should a normal hit sound like a blast.

all i gotta say is Derek (FUCKIN) roddy he hits the same

I practice hitting the same i feel like its easier to mix live and recording that way it dont end up missing on my songs i learned that from roddy

This doesn't matter completely.

Even if you can blast as loud as your main hit (hypothetically speaking), the transients would be different.

The only way to make it sound natural is to have 2 tracks and keep one for fast fills and blasts with a totally new trigger sound sampled especially for it. Using the same sound, in my opinion, is either lazy or else someone is just ridiculously silly to think that it sounds just as OK as changing the sample.
Fuck it, here's the example I was talking about:

Roll Sound:


Blast Sound:
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That does not sound right.

Velocity isn't the only issue here (despite being a meaty one). It's also the particular characteristics of the sound.

 

[Charles J]

who gives a fuck INGESTED is AMAZING!

<3

plus, that's kind of the sound that they are going for, ESPECIALLY for this band. straight up gore-grind death shit.

CHEAAAA

 

[Morgan C]

all i gotta say is Derek (FUCKIN) roddy he hits the same

I practice hitting the same i feel like its easier to mix live and recording that way it dont end up missing on my songs i learned that from roddy

Derek is a God, but there's a clear difference between his blasts and normal hits. Plus his normal hits are pretty damn soft.

Anyone who can blast or do fills as hard as they hit normally... needs to fucking man up and hit the drums properly (not counting those in speed/tech metal where it'd be retarded to have slow snare hits being way louder, so that's obviously a conscious decision).

 

[Erkan]

Ingested... those clips sound like beefed up fucking guitar pro drums. Not good in other words

To anyone who says they can blast as hard as normal hits; record a clip and take a look at the transients to see what a day and night difference there is. This difference is what makes it sound real and this difference is what gets left out when things go beyond over production.