Hello all. Has anyone else noticed this trend? I'm not going to go into specific bands, but does anyone else notice that many 'hardcore' and 'death metal' bands seem to be walking the line between the two styles? It seems more and more common these days, especially with so-called hardcore bands. I saw two diffrent hardcore bands open up for Arch Enemy, and I swear they were playing the same style as Arrch Enemy, even though they are classified differently.
Blending genres: Hardcore and Death Metal
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Actually, that makes sense also. Vocally they are becoming very similar in some cases though (hardcore and DM)
Elysian Blaze
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I think The Red Chord fuses hardcore and DM perfectly and does both genres better than said genres forerunners.
deathbearer
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It's very trendy lol to blend hardcore and death metal these days..Hardcore + Metal=Thrash (been around for 20 years) Hardcore + death metal =grindcore.. Hardcore+ metal without death vox=metal core..Many of the bands that are opening for Arch Enemy here on this leg of the US tour are metal core bands (God Forbid) that combine hardcore and metal core with some elements of thrash..Metal core bands and the like are becoming an underground popular trend in America.Hails..-l-
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Wraith
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yea...you're talking about bands like: killswitch engage, god forbid, shadows fall right?
well i have to say they all do this pretty damn well...so no complaints here!
well i have to say they all do this pretty damn well...so no complaints here!
/Z/
Always Importing
Isn't it supposededly trendy for new bands to mix almost any of the metal genres. I guess it all depends if you like and can appreciate what they do though. I usually don't with most bands.
Misanthrope
Latin, NOT Mexican.
Hardcore and Death metal walk a thin line togheter mainly because of the states where 'underground' movements come in contact with each other. Because its no new thing bands like agnostic front did a lot of metal ( congrats to the person who said thrash btw cause you nailed it ) influenced hardcore since the goddamn mid 80s, stigmata was doing and justice for all ripoffs with hardcore lyrics in the late 80s and early 90s, Merauder was doing pantera oriented metal with hardcore in the mid 90s and bands like Deformity and Congress did the same in the mid 90s, specially deformity who started as a deathcore band ( and truly they misanthrope demo is a perfect example of typical deathcore ) and progressed into straight out death metal.
Just because some assholes now start hanging out with death metal bands trying to steal they popularity and music doesnt means its by any means a new thing, is as old as hardcore itself who honestly never had any real musical depth and has been trying to steal other genre's music under the flag of "its only the ideology what makes it hardcore".
Just because some assholes now start hanging out with death metal bands trying to steal they popularity and music doesnt means its by any means a new thing, is as old as hardcore itself who honestly never had any real musical depth and has been trying to steal other genre's music under the flag of "its only the ideology what makes it hardcore".
Misanthrope
Latin, NOT Mexican.
Because the earliest band called hardcore were just plain old punk or oi ( i refuse to write oi! ) and nothing more to it. Really really nothing more to it, negative approach, minor thread, regans youth, early agnostic front, everything was just punk. Then lots of guys started to blend other genres ( mainly metal ) and then blending hardcore, and on and on but hardcore never really had a sound it can call its own, most of today characteristic old school hardcore sound ( that is the only uniform sound around mind you ) its nothing but a mixture of early hardcore and metal influence ( read: agry punk and metal elements ). Hardcore has been, is, and will always be too busy with ideologies to be bothered with music, specially if you can mix and match genres because your typical stupid hardcore kid will buy it because "its hardcore and its good to support the scene and the bands" and your typical straight edge kid that would claim to like anything, even country, if it has straight edge oriented lyrics.
Alex78
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The vocal style seems to be closer to each other. Think of Carcass's evolution, or the way a band like Isis/Neurosis sounds. Originally, I thought Isis's vocalist was doing just a different style of death vox, although I now can realize that they are a hardcore band...
Just because hardcore was influenced by other types of music doesn't mean it has no musical depth. If that were true nothing would have any musical depth.
Speedkill
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Misanthrope
Latin, NOT Mexican.
But some things actually evolve and grow away from its roots, hardcore never did, it became too wide and too influenced by external things that it lost identity, the only common factor among hardcore bands is they ideological approach. It seems to me like every trend metal has hardcore copies: thrash, death, jazz fusion, early 90s metal, hip hop things, melodic death metal, just about everything has its hardcore reflection. It speaks poorly of hardcore people as musicians capable of creativity and evolution of their own when the only people who can claim to have an original and pure hardcore sound are the old school band that never everprogress even a little bit.
Musical progression isnt stealing other people's ideas or mixing up genres, is comming up withsomething original, something i rarely see in hardcore.
Yeah but where do those metal trends come from in the first place? For example, is Cynic an uncreative band for working fusion into a death/thrash metal framework? Are Dark Tranquility and In Flames uncreative for combining Maiden-esque dual guitar harmonies and death metal? Its not like metal is the wellspring of all music and hardcore just rips stuff off from metal. I think its unfair to hold hardcore music up to such high standards, especially when the standards are not applied to other genres (metal).
good point.
as for "the definition of hardcore"..... I've heard so many bands defined as hardcore that it's hard to tell what is and what isn't.. what's hardcore, what's just punk, what is metalcore, and what crosses the line into metal? I mean, at the CD shops sometimes I see bands like At The Gates and The Gathering in the punk/hc section, and bands commonly defined as hardcore in the metal section..
is Minor Threat hardcore or just punk? ah fuck it, I like those guys.. nomenclature is irrelevent
as for "the definition of hardcore"..... I've heard so many bands defined as hardcore that it's hard to tell what is and what isn't.. what's hardcore, what's just punk, what is metalcore, and what crosses the line into metal? I mean, at the CD shops sometimes I see bands like At The Gates and The Gathering in the punk/hc section, and bands commonly defined as hardcore in the metal section..
is Minor Threat hardcore or just punk? ah fuck it, I like those guys.. nomenclature is irrelevent
Misanthrope
Latin, NOT Mexican.
Cynic is creative for creating a jazz death fusion, wich is not simply the sum of jazz and metal elements, its much more. Dark Tranquillity is created because they have never ever stayed in the same place in all of their careers, they always move fowards onto new directions exploring new things. Most hardcore bands start their careers as a copy of another genre/mixture of genres ( agreed like in metal ) but instead of progressing into their own personal style they keep repeating themselves over and over and over or include silly elements or blatant rip off when they should be mature bands. Of course they are metal bands like that, and of course there are some ( although very few wich brings me to my point ) hardcore bands who truly progress, but as a whole, the hardcore is clearly lacking in definition and evolution because the vast majority of hardcore bands only repeat themselves. And yes it is significally more common and annoying in hardcore, enough to make a remarked difference.
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