Blending Recorded/DI sounds

[jesus69lol]

I was wondering whether it was plausible to blend a miced cabinet with direct amp sim sounds, would this result in phase issues?

 

[everybody's x]

yes you can, and yes it will result in phase issues
depending on whether those issues are usable or not, that depends on what you do with it.
(see the clayman thread)

Anybody who mics anything, eq's anything, hell, RECORDS anything is manipulating phase issues.

It's what we do.

And BTW if you take your time manipulating the two source it can be fantastic, knock yourself out

 

[jesus69lol]

I think I read a post on here once (by jbroll maybe?) that talked about microadjusting his tracks with vocalign. I wonder if that could be used to take the phasing down to a minimum, I have no experience with it so I don't know though.

I guess the bottom line is would the phase make the tracks unusable in some way? If anyone has done stuff like this before I'd love to hear it.

 

[noarin]

I have experience in this;
I once recorded a 6505 using the following:

1. SM 57
2. MB 75
3. SP B1
4. Pre-amp out (for impulses)
5. D.I. Guitar signal

The 57 and the 75 had no/little phase issues because they were at practicly the same distance; the b1 was a few feet away so I had to put that out of phase; if you add impulses to the pre-amp out and try to use it together with the mics; it ruins everything (until you put it out of phase with eachother) same with the DI sound; the reason for this is that the audio of your individual tracks reaches your interface miliseconds later than eachother; e.g. the 57 picks up the sound and sends it to your interface; and the DI guitar also sends sound to your interface, but reaches it a bit earlier than your mics (because the sound the mics pick up go through your amp and your cabinet and than reaches your mic which is a few milimeters away from your cab so it reaches your interface a bit later.

Long story short; if you resolve the phase issues you can use amplitube on the DI signal and add it to your micced signal if you want; it can help (I usually do it in some heavy parts of a song to add just that low end or something).

Try using VoxengoLatencyDelay; it has incredible accuracy and works like a charm with me!

- Rob

 

[-Noodles-]

In protools, there's a few latency issues that can be gained from not ensuring the samples are in time [when using a lot of plugins].. so i'm not sure if that'd work with signals, but i think it's cntrl + click on the lower section of the fader (where the -0.1 or whatever is).

Am i right in thinking this would be able to detect the issues w/ phase?

 

[JBroll]

I think I read a post on here once (by jbroll maybe?) that talked about microadjusting his tracks with vocalign. I wonder if that could be used to take the phasing down to a minimum, I have no experience with it so I don't know though.

I guess the bottom line is would the phase make the tracks unusable in some way? If anyone has done stuff like this before I'd love to hear it.

I didn't use vocalign, but that was something I tinkered with a lot and it's a great way to get rid of some of these problems.

I was simply using the time-shift in Cubase but if your DAW doesn't have this (or you don't know how to use/access it) then there are plenty of free plugins out there.

Jeff

 

[jesus69lol]

I didn't use vocalign, but that was something I tinkered with a lot and it's a great way to get rid of some of these problems.

I was simply using the time-shift in Cubase but if your DAW doesn't have this (or you don't know how to use/access it) then there are plenty of free plugins out there.

Jeff

Mind going into a bit more detail about how you actually align the tracks? I'm running nuendo so I should be able to do it.

 

[JBroll]

Erm, at the time I was using Cubase there was a little bar for slight adjustment in the left panel thingamawhatzit of the track. Might be easier just to look in the help file or use something like Voxengo's plugin.

Jeff