Born of Osiris is giving away stems for their song "MCHINE"

[Sloan]

He most likely just bounced everything with the batch export and left whatever was on the 2 buss on.

That's what it seems like. Checked out the actual song on youtube and it sounds the same with all faders at 0.

 

[Loren Littlejohn]

I like how dynamic this song is...

 

[Christian WUFU]

I find it hard to believe that no on throughout the entire production process was like, "Ya know, those arpeggios sound exactly like 'My Will Be Done'. Maybe you should try something else."

 

[Max Morton]

You know, I personally was ranting not because I am jealous. In fact, I am not jealous at all. I'm not sure I wanna be at Joey's place, I'm really happy and proud with my own achievements. Go listen to my works, I've got plenty. But it's not about me, it's about the production (and the producer).
Now, what I hate in this production, is that when the band has no clue about certain things, like those cheesy synth-like arpeggios, etc etc etc (all mentioned above), there must be someone with better understanding, experience and taste, a producer, to set the benchmark. Otherwise he harms the band, he harms the song and he harms the whole fucking industry. By bringing the benchmark DOWN.
This is the reason why I could not keep silence, though I usually hate criticizing other's work. I'm sure the others' motives were similar to mine.

 

[He's Dead, Jim]

Guys, the lyrics to this song are literally the plot of Mass Effect.

 

[Genius Gone Insane]

If I am not mistaken they are selling a few records so sturgis must have done something right. I don't particularly like his productions but those of you talking shit about him sound like fools.

 

[Max Morton]

they are selling a few records so sturgis must have done something right.

Yeah, that's Nigel on bass.

There are lots of much more commercially successful records that actually sound great.

I'd say that it's quite foolish to mess up production quality and commercial success. We're discussing production here. Not counting his money. Perhaps you should read more attentively.

 

[Vice//Versa]

Vocals sounded awesome (and there screamer isint up there on my top 10 at all) and i dont know why almost no one mentioned it. Born of Osiris probably wanted a certain sound that shows in the compression and the lack of dynamics. I think Joey pulled off what they wanted and considering that he mixed and mastered instead of producing i wouldn't hold him accountable for production mistakes and "lowering the bar". I want to see someone mix this because I think it could sound awesome...

ps: the fact that BoO and Sumerian released the single free with stems is pretty interesting and gave them a couple points in my book. Never heard of any record label doing that...

 

[nezvers]

After trying to find some UAD Nigel examples (found only one on youtube) I'm starting to think that guitar VST mentioned could actually be same UAD Nigel not only on bass guitar alone.

 

[AllanD]

Are they done playing riffs now?

DUN.

DUNUNUN.

DUN. DUN.

DUNDUN.

Repeat 'till end of song, change up the orchestration/leads here and there.


They've gone straight up Rise Records. As for the production, I have no comment on. It sounds like what I imagined a Joey Sturgis production would have sounded like, so good on them I suppose.

 

[Gujukal]

Max Morton: Before you bash Joey more u should probably realize that Sumerian Records have had a huge impact on what music BoO producing. BoO is like one of sumerian's biggest bands so they obviously want them to be commercially successful, and songs with lots chugg chugg breakdown with arpeggio synths and guitars and some epic orchestral sections sell more than experimental progressive songs it seems.

 

[right_to_rage]

I doubt the whole album will be this straight forward.

 

[Habsburgs]

After trying to find some UAD Nigel examples (found only one on youtube) I'm starting to think that guitar VST mentioned could actually be same UAD Nigel not only on bass guitar alone.

huh? guitars are kemper

 

[egan.]

huh? guitars are kemper

Was that information somewhere where he should automatically know it?

 

[Habsburgs]

Was that information somewhere where he should automatically know it?

yes

 

[K Odell]

This album is not Kemper.

 

[Kris_R]

It's a Sturgis mix, but not a Sturgis production.

 

[Line666]

Yeah, that's Nigel on bass.

There are lots of much more commercially successful records that actually sound great.

I'd say that it's quite foolish to mess up production quality and commercial success. We're discussing production here. Not counting his money. Perhaps you should read more attentively.

There is a direct correlation between production level and commercial success in that most overly produced stuff like this is overtly crafted for the latter. You only need to go and listen to most radio RnB stuff to realise this is just as commercialised but packaged as counterculture for people who can't appreciate irony - the guitars are basically just designed to be synths without which you'd pretty much have a pop record anyway. This is one ideal stretched to an extreme and the reason everyone is so uncomfortable with it is that Rock music traditionally represented a medium which was, to an extent, antithetical to Pop ideals; it contained organic elements of groove, feel and emotion. This, obviously, has none of these things.

Music like this is essentially the pinnacle of the homogenisation of the genre itself and the reason even the producer behind it is so conflicted is that unlike a pop record which sells itself on being a hook and some production tricks this sells itself on the lie of having, to some extent, values beyond monetary success or the exploitation of production trickery for capital gain. Which ironically in a genre of music designed to be controversial is the only controversial thing about it.

Ultimately music like this represented an opportunity to carve out a niche taking producer points for applying pop conventions to a small number of bands which were initially unlikely to be picked up by big time mixers and Joey has exploited it to full effect for better or worse.

One would hope there is a backlash against this soon and we all have to actually go back to making organic music again instead of pandering to relative levels of convention and genre bastardisation.

 

[Habsburgs]

This album is not Kemper.

joey said kemper but who knowns did you reamp the guitars?

 

[Mattayus]

There is a direct correlation between production level and commercial success in that most overly produced stuff like this is overtly crafted for the latter. You only need to go and listen to most radio RnB stuff to realise this is just as commercialised but packaged as counterculture for people who can't appreciate irony - the guitars are basically just designed to be synths without which you'd pretty much have a pop record anyway. This is one ideal stretched to an extreme and the reason everyone is so uncomfortable with it is that Rock music traditionally represented a medium which was, to an extent, antithetical to Pop ideals; it contained organic elements of groove, feel and emotion. This, obviously, has none of these things.

Music like this is essentially the pinnacle of the homogenisation of the genre itself and the reason even the producer behind it is so conflicted is that unlike a pop record which sells itself on being a hook and some production tricks this sells itself on the lie of having, to some extent, values beyond monetary success or the exploitation of production trickery for capital gain. Which ironically in a genre of music designed to be controversial is the only controversial thing about it.

Ultimately music like this represented an opportunity to carve out a niche taking producer points for applying pop conventions to a small number of bands which were initially unlikely to be picked up by big time mixers and Joey has exploited it to full effect for better or worse.

One would hope there is a backlash against this soon and we all have to actually go back to making organic music again instead of pandering to relative levels of convention and genre bastardisation.

Absofuckinglutely man. I've been saying it now for god knows how long, metal production has become the same as electronic music. I'm not just talking about the unrealistic tightness, but the aesthetic qualities of the sounds chosen. They just don't sound like real instruments anymore, especially drums, and it detracts from the ideals and philosophies of the genre itself.