Bugera made a Mesa clone!

[TheWinterSnow]

just wiring up the circuit in the US is enough. In the case of a dual recto, you could build a separate external rectifier for the amp, that plug in directly through an IEC into the smoother circuit. The amp will have two IEC's, one going through the rectifier and the other going straight to the smoothing circuit, upon a switch between the Pentode plate can be switched from one IEC to the next, allowing the external rectifier to power the plates of the power tubes. The only issues of that are, you need to tow around an external rectifier, it would be more expensive to build, it would only power the powertubes (to power the pretubes would require another rectifier/transformer) and they would have to be connected to the same ground to prevent ground issues, having both the IEC cables ground terminal soldered to the chassis should deal with the situation but given the design to exact details there could be discrepancies.

Its a pain in the ass but a sure way to get back at him, maybe we could patent the use of an amp having a switchable mains transformer to external transformer (switchable internal/external PSU) and let all the other amp companies to make the product except mesa.

 

[greyskull]

i just had a look at some of Randall Smiths patents.... some are HILARIOUS.

Presence control for guitar amplifier
Power supply for guitar amplifier

thats INSANE

BTW did you know Peavey own a trademark on the word THIRTY.

 

[ahjteam]

UPDATE: I've written Mesa/Boogie to notify them about this, just in case they haven't noticed. This bullshit has to stop.

Did they reply to you, if they did, what did they say?

 

[LosingReality]

Are these out yet? Whats the sale price? Retail is 1100 or so, but what are they selling for?

 

[ronnan]

BTW did you know Peavey own a trademark on the word THIRTY.

Haha..thats madness.GO peavey

 

[updog]

Seriously if it hasn't been said before, fuck Behringer!!

I think it's been said even more often than "pod preset"

 

[shogger]

EDIT: Got it wrong.

 

[Executioner213]

I'd still buy one. Use the shitty clone to travel between bands and practices with (or to loan out when I get calls for "hey, XXXX is in town and their amp blew up, do you got a spare?") Use my REAL SHIT for when I really feel like dragging it out.

 

[jangoux]

Well, I think this can be seen in another way. EVERYBODY copies EVERYBODY. Mesa and Peavey copied Soldano that copied Marshall that copied Fenders and a lot of them might have copied Mike O'Connor ideas - or someone else's. Every car builder copies the other one and so on... I dont agree on how Behringer does things, but the industry works that way. If you dont agree, just go on and blow up China lol

AND for you american and european guys it is not much of an issue, but for the less wealthy countries, Behringer is a great path to have a nice tone without selling your house/car/children lungs

 

[Trevoire520]

You mean like this or this or this?

Yes, though at £1000, £1200 and £1400 respectively you might aswell pay £1600 for a full blown Dual Rectifier. Or pick up a second hand one for about £900 or so.
I like the look of the amps but wonder if they've kinda missed the point a bit (small and CHEAP!) Also the ones there seem to be more geared at the lower gain end of the spectrum (though obv you'd need to give them a test drive to see how well they handle high gain)

Give me a 1/2 channel Mini Rectifier with cut down options for about £500 though and that would seriously peak my interest.

 

[TravisW]

I'd like to see Randall Smith get burned on his ridiculous patents. He's due for some massive karmic retribution from somebody in the industry.

 

[ahjteam]

Yes, though at £1000 [...] respectively you might aswell pay £1600 for a full blown Dual Rectifier.

Well, it seems that Krank Rev jr is discontinued, but I found a webstore that sells Krank Rev jr for 800 and Krank Rev+ 1700, so I don't see what you are bitching about? The price difference is similiar for mesa (atleast in Finland), 1190 vs 2500. (800/1700 = 47%, 1190/2500= 47.6%)


edit: ah, the krank rev jr had a 1x12" cabinet with it. but it's still discontinued.

 

[Kazrog]

Interesting arguments presented here. I'm surprised that anyone would have been allowed to get patents for things that already had a long history in the marketplace from other manufacturers.

I still hate Behringer, but I've lost some respect for Mesa in the process as well.

PS - I haven't heard back from Mesa, nor do I expect to.

 

[MarcusGHedwig]

I'd like to see Randall Smith get burned on his ridiculous patents. He's due for some massive karmic retribution from somebody in the industry.

Maybe, but the quality of his company's products can't be faulted

 

[Harry Hughes]

I never understood why people got concerned.
Fact is, people that have the money will still buy Mesa anyway.
If I had $4595 I would have bought a Dual Recto rather than a Bugera.
You'd have to be a fool to think that if given the money , someone is going to buy Bugera over Boogie.
But before Bugera, you know what about 1200 dollars got you here?
Marshal AVT150 Heads and various other horrible solid state and crappy modeling amps. Thank fuck Bugera came and saved the day with the 333 and 333XL heads and saved us from shitty Marshall AVT and solid state Crate tone.
It's not loss for Mesa, especially not in Australia, because the people buying Bugera would never have been able to afford Mesa and thus would never have considered buying it.
This is totally different from the person who has 5 grand to spare, but walks out of the store with an ENGL Invader rather than a Dual Recto, because in that case they've lost a sale to a competitor in much the same price bracket because of someone who could have potentially bought their amp instead.

 

[Harry Hughes]

Another thing to add in Bugera's defense, is that their amps offer things the amp they are emulating don't have, such as the variable power thing and the 333 and 333XL models are genuine improvements over the original tone wise IMO, so I can't see anything wrong with a studio having both the Bugera and Mesa and Peavey amps for different tonalities, because the Bugera stuff does sound different enough to warrant being called a different amp

 

[Wolfeman]

I do believe the varipower thing is just another name for something Mesa already does...

 

[Harry Hughes]

I do believe the varipower thing is just another name for something Mesa already does...

From the website "The Varipower dial allows you to determine the power amp section’s output power continuously from 100 W to 1 W"

I'm 100 per cent certain Mesa Boogie don't offer this feature on their Rectifier line of amps. Not their previous models nor the latest 2010 models hence why I said "is that their amps offer things the amp they are emulating don't have"

 

[MarcusGHedwig]

This talk of Randall Smith's ridiculous patents reminds me of this story from years past - only in Australia

 

[Harry Hughes]

Australia is definitely one of the most retarded first world countries out there.
I felt genuinely embarrassed to be Australia reading that article