Mesa does, but it is switch based. All Bugera has done is used a variable resistor instead. I'm curious if that gets around the patent that way.
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Mesa does, but it is switch based. All Bugera has done is used a variable resistor instead. I'm curious if that gets around the patent that way.
Harry Hughes
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I'm not talking about switches or resistors dude.
I'm talking about the fact you cannot go from 1 to 100 watts on a Dual Rectifier, period. I repeat, that feature that IS NOT available on Rectos
I understand what you are saying, but I'm trying to point out that technically it's the same thing that mesa has, the Mesa just uses 'fixed' values, and the bugera is using a variable value. This allows the bugera a greater range, while the Mesa has only two options. When drawn out it would look the same on a schematic, sans the switch and in place of a few set resistors would be a potentiometer. Hence why I'm curious if this circumvents the patent, even though it is very close to the same thing.
I guess I'm looking at it from more of a tech point of view. Sorry.
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Maybe, but the quality of his company's products can't be faulted
It depends who'll do the examination of the product. A tech or a consumer without much insight or technical knowledge.
(Or in worst case, some funboy with a possible philosophy: "...actually I AM MESA...its build FOR ME and my music and lifestyle...I'm gonna get a tattoo.."
)Here's short snippet from Kevin O' Connors book Ultimate Tone:
"Mesa-Boogie amps are an odd combination of insight and oversight. Mesa attemted to pack high-powered tube amps into small combo-packages, and this is a path fraught with disaster.
Althought general parts quality is good and chassis work is fine, PC-mounted tube sockets sitting in the speaker sound field are a definite no-no. The fiberglass PCB's are of a high quality, but unfortunately they transmit high frequency sound waves very efficiently. This tendency is worsened by fixing the board to the chassis with plastic stand-offs. As if this were not bad enough, there is often not a single piece of a shielded cable anywhere in the entire unit. With the high gains built into each stage, the lack of the tube shields, and the proximity to the loudspeakers - it is no wonder these amps are so temperamental.
Oscillations can occur due to stray capacitance and cross-talk between the "hook-up" wires used internally. The reverb tanks can feed back due to the routing of the reverb leads close to the input and output circuitry, the lack of shielding of these leads, and the microphonic construction techniques used.
For a product with a premium price tag, there certainly is a lot left to be desired. Mesa-Boogie hints at the basic instability that exists in the design in the CAUTION in the owner's manual: "...noise, feedback or ringing may occur. This is normal..."
So the company itself questioned their quality in the owners manual. Don't know how things had changed, like those 20pf band-aid caps on recto PCB's because that design was oscillation prone too. The only Mesa I have owned was Mark I and it was fine, or should I say - the cleans worth of a tattoo!
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Interesting to quote this text off O'Connor's. I had a Mesa DC3 that had all kinds of problems due to the PCB mounted sockets. I dont know what the fuck Mesa used to solder those sockets to the board that, with the heat generated by the amp, it melted and turned to a conductive goo that got all over the board. It started as a simple crackling sound, and soon enough the amp wasn't producing any sound at all anymore. It took more than a full year before a tech figured it out (including Mesa support here in Brazil that didnt accept the amp). I ended up selling the amp (which was WONDERFUL, like a simpler Mark) because i was so affraid of using it live.
BUT everyone uses PCB mounted sockets these days, and Mesa has improved (I think) the mess (their boards looked like it was drawn by a 8yo and the wiring looked like spaghetti) their older amps were.
I'd still buy another Mesa, tho.
BUT everyone uses PCB mounted sockets these days, and Mesa has improved (I think) the mess (their boards looked like it was drawn by a 8yo and the wiring looked like spaghetti) their older amps were.
I'd still buy another Mesa, tho.
J.DavisNJ
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drew_drummer
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If I was to use Bugera, I'd have to take the name-plate off, and replace all the knobs. Try at least to make sure nobody knew I was using it! 
drew_drummer
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They're quoting £828 for the TriRec. I mean... c'mon.... you can buy some awesome amps for that. No Bugera amp should be over £400 imho.
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At those prices people are still going to chance it with a S/H Dual recto head before buying any of them.
slashvanyoung
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Raving about the quality (sonically and as far as the reliability goes) and the "appropriate pricing" of these amps is pretty laughable at this point.
If anything, Behringer proved naysayers to be wrong about the first batch of amps on a bigger scale. If these are any indication of what to expect with these clones, people can expect good amps - regardless of the pricetag.
I'll wait and reserve judgement.
If anything, Behringer proved naysayers to be wrong about the first batch of amps on a bigger scale. If these are any indication of what to expect with these clones, people can expect good amps - regardless of the pricetag.
I'll wait and reserve judgement.
