Building a recording desktop PC...

Noise is the enemy.

They've solved the noise problem at Finnvox B-studio by putting all the computers into an airconditioned closet, this way its all about the performance, you don't need to worry about the noise :heh:

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at first I was going to get the 180 (smaller one?) so I could stick it in a rack, but the 182 got way better reviews, I would have more room for expansion and IIRC motherboard selection wouldn't be so limited.

I did take serious consideration at the case you've got now because of your recommendations in an old thread. I ended up with this one because a good friend of mine, who I defer most computer questions to, has one.
 
Well I read a LOT of reviews, and decided against going with the Arctic Cooling case... Couldn't find a single really positive review about it. Decided on an Antec Three Hundred... It gets good reviews, priced very well, and looks nice.

After a lot of deal hunting and price bouncing.. This is the final configuration I've decided on ( pending input from the wise ):

DVD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151171
Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129042
2x 320GB HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136098
Monitor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009145
PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139008
4GB RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134730
Intel DG35EC mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121336
Intel E5200 CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116072

Everything look solid?
 
buy 2 2ram gig sticks. its a shitload cheaper, oh plus. you can buy any firewire card. even the cheapest ones. they are all the same quality....little secrete from mac haha shhhhhh
 
I would not get a dual core, quad-core is not much more expensive but completely worth it.

and don't listen to him about the firewire card. The SIIG are the best, but if you can find cheaper ones with the Texas Instruments chip then you're good. A lot of people have problems with VIA and Agere chipsets, those are the most common.
Why does it matter? What happens when the firewire connection is lost during recording?
What happens when there's an error copying data to your backup drive?

Set yourself up for success, get the best you can afford (slightly above actually).
 
Yeah I have learned my lesson with Firewire cards. Only the best.

Is it really worth the extra $100 for the quad core? This is going to be a dedicated recording, no internet, no frills box.
 
I'd say so yeah.
Us Pro Tools PC guys have a Benchmark called the DVerb test. (dverb is the standard reverb plugin, most cpu of any stock plugin, you basically insert as many of them as possible into a session and try to record for 5 min or until you get an error.)
With my dual core pc I would max out at 80 dverbs, guys with core 2 duos would get 160 max. I couldn't mix without feeling like I had to make compromises for cpu power.

with my new quad Q6600 I'm getting 260+ dverbs. If I got better RAM I could beat that, and if I overclock even to 2.6 Ghz. I'd be well over 300. This is equivalent to a PTHD 7 dsp card system, though with smaller track count and no ADC.
A FUCKLOAD OF POWER for about $1000.

Whatever DAW you use you'll see an improvement.
Absolutely worth the extra $$, as would the P182 case, the one you are getting just looks like a generic case, no soundproofing.

Put this in perspective for how much a quadcore costs.

My Athlon X2 6400 2.2 Ghz dual core cost $800 3 years ago.
the Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 cost me $219 this year.

my old pc cost $2500, my new cost $1035 and is about 3X better.
 
WERD.

I splurged on a Belkin card with a TI chipset at STAPLES (oh gawd) and it's been flawless. LOVE IT.

The other firewire card I had actually fried the port on my first FireStudio. Shit was WEAK, but i was able to exchange it.
 
I'd say so yeah.
Us Pro Tools PC guys have a Benchmark called the DVerb test. (dverb is the standard reverb plugin, most cpu of any stock plugin, you basically insert as many of them as possible into a session and try to record for 5 min or until you get an error.)
With my dual core pc I would max out at 80 dverbs, guys with core 2 duos would get 160 max. I couldn't mix without feeling like I had to make compromises for cpu power.

with my new quad Q6600 I'm getting 260+ dverbs. If I got better RAM I could beat that, and if I overclock even to 2.6 Ghz. I'd be well over 300. This is equivalent to a PTHD 7 dsp card system, though with smaller track count and no ADC.
A FUCKLOAD OF POWER for about $1000.

Whatever DAW you use you'll see an improvement.
Absolutely worth the extra $$, as would the P182 case, the one you are getting just looks like a generic case, no soundproofing.

Put this in perspective for how much a quadcore costs.

My Athlon X2 6400 2.2 Ghz dual core cost $800 3 years ago.
the Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 cost me $219 this year.

my old pc cost $2500, my new cost $1035 and is about 3X better.

The idea of 300 reverb plugins excites me :lol: You've sold me on the Q6600.. Now I've gotta reconfigure everything :p

Looks like I actually managed to keep the "upgrade" cost around $50 after more bargain hunting... Thanks for the help!
 
800Mhz RAM should be 4-4-4-12 or similar. The lower the better. Higher numbers means sloppier timing.
my ram at default settings was 6-6-6-18, I got it down to 5-5-4-12 which is a bit better than what it's rated for.
1066Mhz RAM would be worth it.


Dverb has a moderate cpu load and obviously you don't ever need more than a few reverbs at a time.
 
It's a matter of optimization - some things haven't yet been optimized for even two cores, others still have to get up to four. "Theoretically" (read: not really) more cores would mean more processing power, but with so many other things factoring in (like cores sharing essential resources, the problem of programming for more than one core or processor, la dee da) you pretty much have to look at what applications handle best and judge from there. I'm sure many games already handle quad-cores well, but most programs are still a little behind the curve.

Jeff
 
Melodeath, the processors may be better suited to different applications. The dual-core has a higher clock speed and faster front-side bus, the quad has a bigger cache, and so on...

Jeff
 
Get one of these for case/power supply.
http://www.arctic-cooling.com/pc_case2.php?idx=143

I've had one in use for the last 3 years & it's great. VERY quiet. Big, low rotation fans, acoustic decoupling from the floor, shock-mounted hard drive.... if you're building a PC for recording, it's worth your time to check out.
Noise is the enemy.

I bought one of those.. It was to small for my gfx-card to fit in it!
Built my old computer into it and used it as a server, and i have to say its REALLY quiet.
When i turn the computer on, i hear this slight windy sound that lasts for about 5sec, then its completely silent.

But still, so extremely little space inside it to play around with.