Bukowski: marijuana is openly destructive

[drew_drummer]

I think the worst experience I've ever had was when I ate hash-cakes. I ate four of them in quick succession, not really realising how much it would affect me. Shit hit me all at once... and every time I breathed my eyes would kind of have this flaring sensation.. like they turned into nostrils and were expanding and contracting along with my lungs.

I got really fidgety. Spent six hours continuously lying down, getting up, heaving but not actually producing vomit, lying down again, etc...

Fucking awful. The worst I've ever had from booze is just needing to sleep an entire day to get over the hangover. I've definitely had worse times on weed than I have on booze.

 

[JeffTD]

You anti-booze guys are looking at this all wrong.

What really are the detriments to being an alcoholic? OK, well, let’s think about it: 1. It hurts relationships with family and friends? I don’t like those people anyway; 2. Causes long term health problems? I drive way too fast to worry about anything long term; 3. Costs money? I’m going to spend it recklessly anyway, better on alcohol than on drugs or pornography; 4. Causes rude and aberrant behavior? I’m an asshole when I’m sober; being drunk actually calms me down. Now compare that to it’s benefits: It makes me invulnerable to criticism, makes ugly people attractive, makes boring people seem interesting, and makes hot girls like me. For my money, the choice is obvious.

And to anyone complaining about hangovers... they're 100% preventable, even if you get shitfaced, and you should feel stupid for getting them in the first place.

 

[Notuern]

Cite these cases, Mr. Vagina belch.

You really dont believe that most peoples abuse of drugs are related to emotional issues?

Anyways, to cite some of these cases:

My best friend - He have lived through some serious shit as a child, and when he got his first hands on alcohol he got hooked immediately.
He couldn't stay away from alcohol for more then a couple of days a week.. and those days he locked him self inside.
When ever he got depressed he bought a bottle of booze and sat alone and drank it.. if he couldn't afford one, he would scrounge the internet for parties to crash.
Now days he is fine, and can drink responsibly most of the time.. but he still gets sucked in to periods where he drinks way to much and often.

A distant friend - When ever he is bored, he takes the bus in to town to buy cocaine or speed.
When he is depressed he cracks a bottle of booze, and when he is stressed out he smokes weed.
Oh, and guess what? When he is feeling happy, he celebrates with what ever he can find that doesnt make him slow!
This guy doesnt have any physical addiction to anything but alcohol, but he couldnt live for more then 2 days without getting drunk and/or high.

My older relatives from Finland - They are ALL alcoholics.. they lived through the war, saw their brothers and friends get blown in to bits and pieces, and after this they all starved and had to live of bread baked on flour created from pine bark while rebuilding the country.
This resulted in a massive depression, causing them to turn to alcohol which was the only joy left to them.

 

[Chryst Krispies]

I've definitely had worse times on weed than I have on booze.

This.

I feel both are pretty equal to me. I just try to avoid weed, cause for me it's not as fun.

 

[Paulie!]

And to anyone complaining about hangovers... they're 100% preventable, even if you get shitfaced, and you should feel stupid for getting them in the first place.

+1 Water is your friend.....

 

[Line666]

You anti-booze guys are looking at this all wrong.

And to anyone complaining about hangovers... they're 100% preventable, even if you get shitfaced, and you should feel stupid for getting them in the first place.

I'd just like to say I'm not pro or anti anything, to be honest I was just playing devils advocate on this one, I think you pays your money and takes your choice. If people want to sniff glue then I'm fine with that, as long as it doesn't effect me then I couldn't care less.

And yes, I made the choice to get that fucked up and should suffer the consequences, I'd say I'm more for sympathising (obviously thats my vagina shining through right there) about the outcome than complaining, it was always my fault, but I'm not gonna sit and feel bad about it as much as laugh and go "well that was fucking thick of me wasnt it?"

 

[Fragle]

I think the worst experience I've ever had was when I ate hash-cakes. I ate four of them in quick succession, not really realising how much it would affect me. Shit hit me all at once... and every time I breathed my eyes would kind of have this flaring sensation.. like they turned into nostrils and were expanding and contracting along with my lungs.

I got really fidgety. Spent six hours continuously lying down, getting up, heaving but not actually producing vomit, lying down again, etc...

Fucking awful. The worst I've ever had from booze is just needing to sleep an entire day to get over the hangover. I've definitely had worse times on weed than I have on booze.

i did that stuff once, but only one. i was at a festival with a bunch of friends, and that shit fucked me up real hard. i think i ate it around 3pm, and honestly i don't remember much but a giant blur from 3.30 up to like 9 pm. i remember i consciously stayed by my girl's side all the time, because i knew otherwise i'd end up totally fucked up in some corner. started to clear up around 9pm, and was nicely high for the next few hours.
seriously, if you do this stuff for the first time, be carefuly not to eat too much, a little goes a long way here. also be careful about the situation you're in, have some good friends or your girl or something around you. it's definitely fucking up your mind REAL hard.

quite an intense and most of all interesting feeling though. seeing everything move in slow mo, watching stuff with an distorted picture, hallucinations etc.

good thing about it is you don't fuck your mind up permanently, like with lsd or shrooms. once you're sober, you're sober.

 

[JeffTD]

I'd just like to say I'm not pro or anti anything, to be honest I was just playing devils advocate on this one, I think you pays your money and takes your choice. If people want to sniff glue then I'm fine with that, as long as it doesn't effect me then I couldn't care less.

And yes, I made the choice to get that fucked up and should suffer the consequences, I'd say I'm more for sympathising (obviously thats my vagina shining through right there) about the outcome than complaining, it was always my fault, but I'm not gonna sit and feel bad about it as much as laugh and go "well that was fucking thick of me wasnt it?"

My first statement/the quote was a total joke, sorry if i didn't make that obvious. If you're unfamiliar with Tucker Max, it would explain why it would be incredibly funny.

I don't mean that you could avoid hangovers by avoiding the substance - that's like promoting abstinence as sex education. What I'm saying is that there are many things you can do before, during, and after a heavy drinking session that can all but eliminate any trace of a hangover you'd have the next morning. It's all in regulating what you eat and drink and in what combinations, and in what state you fall asleep in.

Although sometimes controlling that last bit can be really fucking hard.

 

[AboutBlank]

good thing about it is you don't fuck your mind up permanently, like with lsd or shrooms. once you're sober, you're sober.

Unfortunately thats not how it works all the time.

My neighbour, for example, got stuck on weed and tried to to hit his mother with an axe.
Some people( dunno the percentage) are very accessible for some kind of neurosis which weed can unleash.

 

[Chryst Krispies]

I ate a space brownie ONCE, and smoked hash at the same time in Amsterdam....One of the only times I had fun on weed.
Jeff is pretty spot on, I usually don't get hungover because I eat a lot and drink a lot of water. Only had 2 hangovers in my life..both times due to me not being able to drink water.

Hangovers are due to dehydration mostly...so stay hydrated and no hangover. Eat before you start boozing too. I usually just make a protein shake.

My advice is don't mix booze and weed...bad things usually happen to me at least when that goes down.

Lately though I've just been avoiding both really..definitely think a little alcohol every now and then is not a bad thing at all though.

 

[colonel kurtz]

My advice is don't mix booze and weed...bad things usually happen to me at least when that goes down.

i'm not even getting in a debate about this shit...it's been done a million times over, even on this board, but this needs to be QFT

specifically, never smoke weed after getting drunk...the room just starts spinning, and then you uke: all over

also, i dunno how in the hell you euros can smoke weed and tobacco together...i can barely stand the taste of tobacco when i smoke a blunt, can't even imagine diluting my crystal green goodness with poopy brown tobacco leaf! :Smokin:

 

[Chryst Krispies]

i'm not even getting in a debate about this shit...it's been done a million times over, even on this board, but this needs to be QFT

specifically, never smoke weed after getting drunk...the room just starts spinning, and then you uke: all over

also, i dunno how in the hell you euros can smoke weed and tobacco together...i can barely stand the taste of tobacco when i smoke a blunt, can't even imagine diluting my crystal green goodness with poopy brown tobacco leaf! :Smokin:

Actually...this whole post needs to be quoted for truth.

Soon as I smoke after drinking....uke: hahaha
Tobacco+weed= what the fuck.

That said I'm outta this thread.

 

[Notuern]

Unfortunately thats not how it works all the time.

My neighbour, for example, got stuck on weed and tried to to hit his mother with an axe.
Some people( dunno the percentage) are very accessible for some kind of neurosis which weed can unleash.

It may cause a psychosis, but that means that you had previous underlying mental issues, that sooner or later would show.
But yes, its true.. some people will completely snap on weed.

 

[SocialNumb]

Oh hi guize. I drink and smoke weed everyday but see I'm special. Nothing spins and I make the bills every month. Haven't attacked anyone and avoid killing ants because I do my best to respect life.

You guys are right though. One day I'm going to snap and kill one of those dam ants! Right after I loose my pot needles, throw up and axe my mother.

 

[Pot]

Oh hi guize. I drink and smoke weed everyday but see I'm special. Nothing spins and I make the bills every month. Haven't attacked anyone and avoid killing ants because I do my best to respect life.

You guys are right though. One day I'm going to snap and kill one of those dam ants! Right after I loose my pot needles, throw up and axe my mother.

+1..i didn´t SNAP or whatever.., i just stopped doing it...
i guess as u get older u loose interest in it or find other interests

 

[SimonTaddio_Qc]

I wouldn't go as far as saying that weed doesn't get you physically addicted to some extent. I am certain that a lot of people on this forum smoke weed everyday and couldn't just stop right now even if they wanted to. But tho I pretty much smoked a cigarette of my life, I'm sure it is way easier to quit weed than to quit tobacco. All that to say I fucking agree with Gareth's post...well the first part of it

 

[Seth Munson]

I know I'm not contributing to the discussion but I am curious.
We are supposed to be taking advice from this guy who is both drunk and high?

 

[SocialNumb]

+1..i didn´t SNAP or whatever.., i just stopped doing it...
i guess as u get older u loose interest in it or find other interests

Maybe, I can't tell the future. About to be 35 in Oct. and been smoking since 15 or so. As far as addiction goes, I don't know. I could do a few months without (I have before) and not really be bothered. Than again I don't sit around smoking the stuff like a madman. I'm a light smoker. Just enjoy a buzz every afternoon. Plus it helps with my anxiety.

I guess it comes down to the user and how responsible they are.

 

[Notuern]

Plus it helps with my anxiety.

Isnt one of the negative aspects of marijuana that prolonged use generally causes anxiety and/or paranoia?

 

[SocialNumb]

Isnt one of the negative aspects of marijuana that prolonged use generally causes anxiety and/or paranoia?

So they say. Not that I'm some anti-science retard. For me, in a word, no.

No paranoia, no nervousness, just a relaxed mind set. Kinda inspirational. In fact, I always feel like reading or experimenting with sounds right after. For me it's chill time. Work is over and it's time to just enjoy and let go.

Keep in mind, I don't roll up a "fatty" and go to town. I just take a couple hit's of the good stuff and let it roll. It's a private affair. Responsibilities taken care of for the day.

I suspect my anxiety problems stem from my hard drug use way in the past. For example, "ecstasy".