Census Report Thread
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You are aware that the majority of the questions on the census in its current form are not even authorized in the constitution, right? Bend over and take it; it's for your own good.
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The only harm the census does is racially categorize people. This wouldn't be a problem if the government waned from its 1870's definition of "race". I will show how this is a problem in the following example: I am Mexican (not really, but hypothetically), I am so Mexican in fact that I actually know what tribe I am from. According to the Unites States, because I can actually claim my tribe, I am considered a native American (not many people would disagree with that, unless they think all native Americans have fucking feathers in their hair). However, if I do not know my tribe, even if I can trace my lineage back before the fucking mayflower (let's say the tribe's name was lost), then I cannot claim to be a native American; instead, I will now be labeled "Hispanic". For all intents and purposes, I would be labeled as white.
How so you ask? Well here is the literal play by play that is stated:
Hispanic.... Hispania... Spain. Spain is European. Yeah, Spain may have the language going for it, but the only link to Mexico, Brazil, America, etc had was that Spain was the main Imperial power for an extended period of time in those countries respective histories. Granted Spain had a massive influence, but if you ask those peoples today if they are Spaniards, you will get a resounding "No!". The government doesn't take this into account.
You can look at this in two ways: 1. No big fucking deal, it's not that important - to which a proper response is "why bother doing a census on the ethnic categorization of the peoples of the country if you are not going to do it right?", 2. Many people get pissed because said labeling on a federal level seems to really look bad when considering how the labels themselves are also indicative of culture (i.e. mexican culture, "black" culture, "asian" culture, et al whatever).
There are other things, but whatever.
How so you ask? Well here is the literal play by play that is stated:
Hispanic.... Hispania... Spain. Spain is European. Yeah, Spain may have the language going for it, but the only link to Mexico, Brazil, America, etc had was that Spain was the main Imperial power for an extended period of time in those countries respective histories. Granted Spain had a massive influence, but if you ask those peoples today if they are Spaniards, you will get a resounding "No!". The government doesn't take this into account.
You can look at this in two ways: 1. No big fucking deal, it's not that important - to which a proper response is "why bother doing a census on the ethnic categorization of the peoples of the country if you are not going to do it right?", 2. Many people get pissed because said labeling on a federal level seems to really look bad when considering how the labels themselves are also indicative of culture (i.e. mexican culture, "black" culture, "asian" culture, et al whatever).
There are other things, but whatever.
This goes with the whole "disenfranchisement of various peoples" thing the government/believes follows; the most notable thing the ethnic composition of an area refers to are the areas of funding for schools and other places within "high ethnic areas" like Detroit or Compton.
I don't feel like writing a fucking article on this so I am being brief, please realize I am also using laymans terms and leaving a lot out of what I am saying (I am stating this so no one starts a shitstorm on what I've just mentioned).
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Pessimism, what the fuck are you talking about? Your census data is classified and in no way affects you on an individual level. Census data is only relevant as an aggregate of data. No employer is ever going to say "oh, I see you filled out on your 2010 US CENSUS FORM that you are white. I'm sorry, we need more darkies, we can't hire you."
I in no way referenced individual hiring preferences in my post. Yes, your data is classified when it comes to agencies that are non-government, that does not mean however that you are not cataloged as a whole into districts and city data (I repeat, base information is gleamed from your census data, nothing personal is kept). Reading over my own post I'm not really sure how you thought I said that.
I merely stated that the racial/ethnic classification is outdated and that is my only problem with the census.
Sorry Dodens, you won't find a tinfoil hat in my possession. I am fine with the census.
Also, get a god damn avatar.
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Well, from what I've read of the purported uses of census data, it looks like much, if not most, of the data that goes beyond mere head count helps the government conduct its ill-conceived interventions into various things. Hmmm... Correct me if I'm wrong though.
And by the way, I don't recall anyone here making the argument that harm is caused by filling out a census form (though I imagine one could very well make some sort of argument along those lines). My point would be: the government doesn't even have a legal right to require its citizens to answer anything that is more than necessary for a mere head count. But of course, if you can dream up some reason why you think something is good, then you're totally justified bro.
The only reason I know of why the census bureau asks for the extra information (besides just a head count) is because of the funding requirements most other government organizations need in order to act according to their own set charters for future projects.
The only argument I've heard that makes any sense against filling out the census were by those who felt the government was overstepping its boundaries by building shit for people when it wasn't the government's responsibility (aka people who only believe in a limited government).
The only argument I've heard that makes any sense against filling out the census were by those who felt the government was overstepping its boundaries by building shit for people when it wasn't the government's responsibility (aka people who only believe in a limited government).
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What did you expect? Libertarians are the main people that are irritated by the census.
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Strangly my views of the census is that if I filled it out as a native born white man the government would see fit to add another X amount of non white immigrants to the population in order to further their global and multi ethnic ideal of a perfect world (world peace)... fuck all else important about maintaining the well being of a country
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Further on what pessimism already mentioned... any amount of traceable hispanic or origional native american heritage entitles those teenagers to college grant funding not available to white teens with none.
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Further I highly doubt the statistics found by the census are accurately recorded or released.
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Further on what pessimism already mentioned... any amount of traceable hispanic or origional native american heritage entitles those teenagers to college grant funding not available to white teens with none.
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Further I highly doubt the statistics found by the census are accurately recorded or released.
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