Challenge to Americans
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Norsemaiden
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Dee Snarl said:
He wasn't a Jew. He had bad debts that they helped him out with in return for his loyalty to their agenda.
Churchill: "If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons".
Actually to explain further the surprising link between Churchill and right wing fascism:http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=3930
In 1910, as Home Secretary, Churchill proposed the sterilization of about 100,000 "mental degenerates" and the dispatch of several thousand others to state run labour camps.
"Churchill was secretary of state at the war office when the Royal Air Force asked him for permission touse chemical weapons against 'recalcitrant Arabs' as an experiment. Winston promptly consented (Yes, Churchill's gassing of Kurds pre-dated Hussein's by nearly70 years)".
In favour of gassing!
"I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes", Churchill said.
Churchill to Mussolini, in 1927 "if I had been an Italian, I am sure I would have been with you from the beginning to the end of your victorious struggle against the bestial appetites and passions of Leninism".
For more amazing Churchill the fascist information: http://www.globalfire.tv/nj/04en/history/churchillunknown.htm including his wish that if Britain were defeated, Churchill wished that "we should find a champion as admirable [as Hitler] to restore our courage and lead us back to our place among nations".
Anti-Semitic Churchill: "This worldwide conspiracy amongst the Jews for the overthrow of civilisation has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the 19th century."
Devy_Metal said:
Does she have a sister? What about jobs? Milano is terribly dirty, noisy, big, and un-italian to me. You should move to a more laid back real-Italian city.
Dee Snarl
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Norsemaiden - Of course, I was just kidding about Churchill's "Jewiness." Concerning his race or religion, I don't care.
Concerning his fascist/racist tendencies, I guess that's one thing we can agree on, then: the loathsome nature of fascism and racism. Yes?
My real point of course, is that ultra right-wingers are the scum of the Earth.
Concerning his fascist/racist tendencies, I guess that's one thing we can agree on, then: the loathsome nature of fascism and racism. Yes?
My real point of course, is that ultra right-wingers are the scum of the Earth.
Deadnight Warrior87
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One word...........India.infoterror said:
The worlds largest democracy that promotes individualism and is thrivinig now more than ever.
That may be cynical to say, but they make a good role model for America.
Neith said:Many of the countries with higher tax in european such as those listed and also Sweden, Switzerland, Norway and Luxembourg have much higher wages to correspond with the high taxes and the generally higher expenses of everyday living. They generally have less crime, and a higher standard of living all round. I have never even heard of someone from Sweden who doesn't enjoy living there (I'm sure there are loads though) which I think says a hell of a lot. Lucky people!
Yeh, plus i think those countries have a shorter working week than other western countries, like Aus and USm UK. Not entirely sure, maybe one of our scandanavian freinds could help us out here
Norsemaiden
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Dee Snarl said:
In a sense we can agree on this, although I don't think you have a balanced "both sides" understanding of the issue. You don't say that Communism (as it has been practiced) is loathsome, which probably means you have a liking for the ideology which has led to many millions more horrific deaths than "fascism" has ever been accused of.
Musolinni was a fascist. I'm no fan of the State running everything in a centralised way, as is the case with a fascist State. I much prefer National Socialism, which is not centralised, and is termed a "folkstadt" (people's state). This does not mean I approve of pointlessly aggressive reckless and unjustified war, nor of killing undesirable elements in society. (Unlike Churchill). There are better ways to go about things.
Unfortunately, one may be forced into war for survival (eg. to prevent being invaded by Communists) or be accused by ideological enemies of commiting atrocities that one has never commited. Take these elements away, and there's nothing wrong with National Socialism.
"Racism", in the sense of hating people for being of a different race, is sad - but can be understandable if someone feels they are under direct attack from an identifyable racial group.
"Racism", if it is meant simply as believing races exist and that they have each their own qualities is not loathsome and is sensible IMO.
A lot of "ultra right-wingers" may be "scum", but they are far outnumbered in the scum stakes by the "ultra left", who have no utopian ideals, but a fervent hatred of the achievements of, or racial qualities of, others. (Ironically the same fault as exists with the scummy ultra right element.)
Norsemaiden
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Deadnight Warrior87 said:
"The reality of increasing wealth for some Indians is clear across the country, but so is the continual grinding poverty for the vast majority of the population -- where the chance to give a 50 cent autorickshaw ride to a couple of tourists is a privileged job and most men and women sweat out jobs in rural villages for a dollar or two a day."
Bush may well wish this to be a role model for America!
"What is starkest in many ways is how unequal the society is -- with such abyssmal poverty coexisting nearby with an elite living lives approaching or surpassing Western standards."
http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2006/1/6/232357/3099
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Norsemaiden said:
Do I, or sensible people, care about "utopian ideals"? About the "racial qualities of others"?? No!
All of your discourse is the same veiled Nazi rhetoric those of us with an interest in such matters have seen all our lives. Nazis don't get pulled into their little "cause" because they find National Socialist economics attractive, or think the autonomous "folkstadt" or whatever is the ideal political entity. People get into Nazism due to hatred of others (which, yes, I understand is ALWAYS couched in terms of "love for the white race"), unfocused rebellion, and the appeal of the dangerous mystique. All the rationalizing and doublespeak in the Vaterland can't hide that you and yours are Nazi apologists and white supremacists.
Norsemaiden
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Dee Snarl said:
No genuine National Socialist would ever call themselves a "white supremacist". The term was invented as use as an insult by those opposed to White survival. Likewise the term "Nazi" was invented as an insult.
Supremacy is about thinking you're better than some other group. Defining yourself by comparison with that other group, and implies wanting to dominate or enslave that other group or groups. Having people as slaves or exploiting them for gain is absolutely abhorrent and National Socialism should never be associated with such behaviour.
I don't want to go on about things, but let me just say that your anger at the behaviour of people who believe themselves racially superior to everyone else on Earth and who wish to enslave and exploit others and use cruel torture on other races, while calling themselves "God's chosen people" has a much more up-to-date and appropriate target than prewar Germany. Do I really need to tell you which nation I refer to?
Btw, I forgot to mention that Churchill invented concentration camps. (For use against the Boers in S Africa.)
Modern China is perhaps the most National Socialist country on the planet at the moment. Mostly it is about protecting the survival of the native people of your country and protecting your nation's markets from damaging imports. I am not sure of the extent that the Chinese government cares about the welfare of the Chinese people on the whole, but if this were to mean more to China's rulers than revelling in personal power or wealth, then they would be National Socialist. Presumably you are Chinese then?
Is it really true that the Chinese government is back tracking on oppressing the Tibetans and is increasingly tolerant of Budhism, as someone told me today? Sounds like a wise move if so.
Dee Snarl said:
Your brush is awful wide. There is room for legitimacy for defense of one's national culture, and often, a hybrid right/left (nationalist + socialist) system is the best way.
It will fail a lot less than the current system, anyway
Majesty said:
oh ok, cheers for letting me know. I think we work on a 40 hr week as well in Aus, with a fair number of people getting and RDO every other week or monthly
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Norsemaiden said:
While I have often issues with discussions on National Socialism (being mostly opposed to it), I will say that your comment above is a fantastic example and one which thrives in everyone's faces while we somehow fail to notice it for what it is.
The Hubster said:
I think we need to set aside our fears and use whatever we can to make a better social order. Liberal democracy has some advantages, but clearly will kill us all after breeding us into moronic drones to service corporate machinery. We need a different paradigm.
Devy_Metal said:
Yeah Ive been there--too ritzy. I prefer Umbria; all the natural beauty and pastoral landscapes, the pink-hued buildings, the truffled food, and the relative comfort off the path of those loud boorish rapacious american tourists.
So no sister hey?