Christians suck; world still turns

[FerretallicA]

The point is, some people do. And they'll actually put stand by "Vote for McCain or you're going to hell"

Is that really any worse than people parading around going "Vote for x or gays will forever be an oppressed minority", "Vote for y or you're unfaithful to your fellow illegal immigrants" or anything generally along the lines of "If you vote for z you're a bad person and/or un-Amercian"?

What is it about religion that makes so many people who would otherwise consider themselves 'open-minded' and preach all sorts of freedom go completely brick-walled? I'm no churchie by any stretch of the imagination but they cop more than their fair share.

 

[King Richard]

Is that really any worse than people parading around going "Vote for x or gays will forever be an oppressed minority", "Vote for y or you're unfaithful to your fellow illegal immigrants" or anything generally along the lines of "If you vote for z you're a bad person and/or un-Amercian"?

What is it about religion that makes so many people who would otherwise consider themselves 'open-minded' and preach all sorts of freedom go completely brick-walled? I'm no churchie by any stretch of the imagination but they cop more than their fair share.

Good call.

 

[V.V.V.V.V.]

You fucking faggots, this is about separation of church and state, NOT the First Amendment right to free speech. Read the posts before you reply. It is not legal and fucking stupid for these Christian morons to preach politics at a place where politics should have absolutely no bearing on ANYTHING. They don't pay taxes, they should NOT speak politics. They should speak the things that are the only reason they're tax free.

 

[cookiecutter]

If religious groups are allowed to be political then political groups would have to be allowed to be religious and we don't want that.

 

[genocide roach]

politicians are religious. its hard to be a politician with out being religious
~gR~

 

[cookiecutter]

I know, but they can't explicitly be a religious candidate. For example, it would be illegal for a politician to discriminate based on religion, but religious groups obviously are allowed to do this.

 

[genocide roach]

i agree
~gR~

 

[Einherjar86]

Is that really any worse than people parading around going "Vote for x or gays will forever be an oppressed minority", "Vote for y or you're unfaithful to your fellow illegal immigrants" or anything generally along the lines of "If you vote for z you're a bad person and/or un-Amercian"?

Religion is different because it's encouraging support for a candidate based on irrational, irrelevant matters. Voting for equal rights for gays or on the issue of immigration is far more legitimate and logical than voting based on religion. Furthermore, religion isn't supposed to come into play when debating politics, because we have freedom of religion in this country. Spiritual beliefs shouldn't be used to interfere with people's decision making.

 

[cookiecutter]

I'd be careful with that argument. Clearly a great many political tactics do not appeal to people's logic. Churches should not be able to endorse a politician because it violates church state separation, not because religion is irrational.

 

[Einherjar86]

But I think that the reason for Church/State separation is that religion clouds logical judgment. That's how I see it, and that's why I make that argument. The separation of Church and State is one of the best things about this country (now if only we followed it more closely...). Let me make clear that I'm not trying to mock people's choice to adopt religious views. I'm saying that people need to see the boundaries between religion and politics, and when the Church gets involved it makes it more difficult for people to do that.

 

[V.V.V.V.V.]

No, the reason for it is that people should discover religion on their own and shouldn't be forced into it by theocratic leanings in governing forces.

 

[Valdincan]

Separation of church and state went down the shitter a long time ago.

I doubt it will have much effect. How many of the people that attend those churches would vote for Obama anyway?

 

[Zephyrus]

Realize that religion is a means to keep the populous ignorant, and therefore more easily controlled. Politicians want the people to respect and trust their government the same way they do God.

 

[FerretallicA]

It is not legal and fucking stupid for these Christian morons to preach politics at a place where politics should have absolutely no bearing on ANYTHING.

...says he who is posting about politics and religion on a heavy metal forum where anything other than music should have absolutely no bearing on anything.

:Smug:

 

[FerretallicA]

If religious groups are allowed to be political then political groups would have to be allowed to be religious and we don't want that.

I find THAT to be completely stupid.
At the end of the day religion is little more than a collective belief. Argue all you want about atheism, mindless sheep mentality and the origins of the universe but it really doesn't make any difference. If political groups aren't allowed to form around a given belief, what is the fucking point of having political groups at all?

Religion is different because it's encouraging support for a candidate based on irrational, irrelevant matters. Voting for equal rights for gays

I don't see how it's really any different other than for the intangible stigma and taboo that surrounds religion. Actually, I believe equal rights for gays is irrational. There's a subject with equally irrational support on both sides of the fence and just as much if not far more stigma about it. Is it fair to restrict any sexuality-focused movements from demonstrating any kind of political aspiration or influence?

 

[Matt]

People's religious and political beliefs usually align regardless of whether or not the pastor preaches politics

 

[Einherjar86]

No, the reason for it is that people should discover religion on their own and shouldn't be forced into it by theocratic leanings in governing forces.

I agree; and while that very well may be a reason for separating Church and State, my reason is also a legitimate one. Both border along the same principles.

 

[skeptik]

itt ferretallica embarrasses himself through displays of ignorance

 

[zabu of nΩd]

...says he who is posting about politics and religion on a heavy metal forum where anything other than music should have absolutely no bearing on anything.

:Smug:

What a clever strawman you've constructed there.

 

[V.V.V.V.V.]

fail