Chuck interviews circa 98 (views on MetallicA) and 99 (Control Denied Info)

[Poison God]

An excerpt from a 98' interview with Chuck S.:
"I've got to nail Metallica cuz they are the complete opposite of what they started out as. They are what they criticized throughout their career when they were a metal band. It's very insulting for me as a fan to read articles with them and they're totally adamant about saying they're not a heavy metal band anymore. I've seen this in quotes, big interviews with Lars Ulrich who I think spends more time trying to look like a European model then a musician. I've read articles where James Hetfield is claiming they are not out to save heavy metal. What a horrible thing to say. A band that made it off of being heavy metal, now they're so big that they've just decided, "hey screw everyone, we're powerful and we can get away with anything." Well, they pulled a lot of shit over people's eyes but I mean a lot of people aren't blind to what they are doing. I think it's the biggest joke I've ever seen. And it's pathetic. Their musicianship is pathetic, their attitude is horrendous, basically backstabbing every metal fan that ever supported them. I mean, I was there in the beginning. They were a major influence on my music back in the early '80s. I remember trying to convert people in high school into Metallica fans. They were like, "what's this noise?" Every kid in America sported a Metallica shirt. So you know I really take it very personally, and I think their sincerity is lacking in large amounts. They basically need to change their name and stop living off of it, because the name has nothing to do with the band anymore. It's a totally different band. They've made it very known."

A link to the 99' interview
http://www.illliterature.com/interviews/WebInterviews_Dec99.htm



I thought these were interesting views from Chuck and that they might spur some conversation. Hope you enjoy them. L8rs,
DavE

 

[metallica sucks cock]

chuck hit the nail on the head.

people ask me "why dont you change your name to n sync sucks?"

well, theres always gonna be shitty pre-packaged disposable trendy music, yeah, that sucks, but no big deal. but when
a powerful metal band backs down like cowards, it makes the genre look foolish.

"were progressing" "were expanding" "were reaching out"
"were growing" "were moving on" thats shit the label coaches their metal bands to say. as if metal is weak, boring, primitive
and elementary.

but when metallica turned gay(in the mid 90s, when every other metal band turned gay because "metal was dead")
and blatanly lied about their motivations for softening
"we wanted to do something different" "we dont wanna repeat ourselves".............. im not stupid. i felt profoundly insulted.
there are people out there who believe that age makes you turn wussy. there are people out there who believe metallica invented palm muting. that they invented metal.

in the mid 90s, everyone wanted to distance themselves from metal as much as possible; it was thought of as disco was.
metal bands, especially those on big labels, were softening left and right.

 

[true light]

what the video's clowns..

 

[RETIREDTrapped]

If you hate Metallica so much, then why listen to them? Just ignore them, dude.

What's the deal?

 

[NeoN]

100% spot on there chuck.

Why do fans continue to back them?

because they're all 14 and first got into metallica when they went to see mission impossible 2 with there friends.

Its a strange world and to think that they still see metallica as the best metal band around. yeah right.

Why do we get all mad at metallica?

Simply because at one time we all probably liked them and it dissapoints us to see them come to waste over the years and their attitude towards it.

 

[metallica sucks cock]

Originally posted by Trapped
If you hate Metallica so much, then why listen to them? Just ignore them, dude.

What's the deal?

n sync, crazytown and limp bizkit suck.... i ignore them.


but what metallica did is MUCH worse than just sucking.
they fooled millions with their propoganda. they are "proof" to the mainstream and to the media, and to many impressionable people that metal is "elementary, primitive, and immature" and that pop oriented rock music is much more "intelligent and advanced"

it was a profound insult and a slap in the face. limp bizkit never never did that.

 

[RETIREDTrapped]

...Then why don't you pay out on Megadeth, Slayer, Testament, in fact EVERY FUCKING BAND AROUND???

Why don't you pay out on DeadHeartInADeadWorld then? It's simplified just like the black album is.??

 

[General Zod]

Originally posted by Trapped
... Why don't you pay out on DeadHeartInADeadWorld then? It's simplified just like the black album is.??

Did you just compare Metallica's "Black CD" with "Dead Heart in a Dead World"? Come now. It's one thing to think that "Dreaming" or "Politics" was superior. But to suggest what you have suggested, is just flat out silly. First off, Nevermore didn't sell-out; they didn't even come close. Second, DHiaDW is a phenomenal CD. Granted, "The Heart Collector" and "Believe in Nothing" hardly measure up to the title track on "Dreaming", and "Forever". However, I certainly wouldn't compare those tracks to "Nothing Else Matters" and "The Unforgiven". And I certainly wouldn't draw comparisons between "Engines of Hate" and "The River Dragin Has Come" to "Enter Sand Man" and "Sad But True". If you thought DHiaDW was a disappointment (although I couldn't disagree more) I could understand. But it sounds like you're just trying to be controversial.

By the way, great quote by Chuck. He shall be missed.

GZ

 

[metallica sucks cock]

Originally posted by Trapped
...Then why don't you pay out on Megadeth, Slayer, Testament, in fact EVERY FUCKING BAND AROUND???

Why don't you pay out on DeadHeartInADeadWorld then? It's simplified just like the black album is.??

WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? is that australian slang?

and do not compare ANY nevermore album to any metallica album. metallica sucks, and nevemore is 10000000 times better.

 

[RETIREDTrapped]

...uh... Zod.... I wasn't actually paying out on it. I was using that as a reference because MSC was paying out on metallica simply because they changed (personally i don't like the black-album, but that does not mean it is a BAD album...) their style a little bit. I used BOTH nevermore, slayer, testament and megadeth as examples of bands that have changed, and that IF he can pay out on metallica, he should be paying out on bands that have changed MORE than metallica. (listen to POE, and then DHIADW, DH is not a BAD album, but it is different, something chronic to poe)...

 

[RETIREDTrapped]

WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? is that australian slang?

and do not compare ANY nevermore album to any metallica album. metallica sucks, and nevemore is 10000000 times better.

What are you going to do about it, huh??




I'm sorry, i should have known that you can't speak PROPER ENGLISH. what is hard to understand about my message?

 

[Poison God]

Did anyone check out the 99' Control Denied/Death related interview? That is actually much more interesting than Chuck's Metallica comments. He even discusses Dane a bit in one segment. L8r, DavE

 

[RETIREDTrapped]

Yeah, i checked it out... It's a pretty good interview. It's also on the 'Emptwords' site in the 'Talks' section...

 

[metallica sucks cock]

Originally posted by Trapped
...Then why don't you pay out on Megadeth, Slayer, Testament, in fact EVERY FUCKING BAND AROUND???

Why don't you pay out on DeadHeartInADeadWorld then? It's simplified just like the black album is.??

im american. "pay out on" what the fuck is that? and what does that have to do with what this thread is about?

 

[RETIREDTrapped]

you don't know what 'paying out' on something is??? Fucking's hell you're a dipship.

Paying out = Making fun of

 

[Child of Vision]

hey MSC- MAYBE YOU'RE JUST SLOW. those of us with brains use context clues... but then you probably didn't pay too much attention in school, did you?
"pay out on" most likely means bashing; saying it sucks; slamming; etc.
are we okay now? can we move on? okay.

 

[General Zod]

Trapped-

I know where you're coming from. But Metallica changed because they wanted to sell records. I think that's obvious. I would agree, the "Black Album" is not a bad disc. It's just not a good Metallica disc. And granted, there is a difference between POE and DHiaDW. But there's also a huge difference between POE and DNB. I don't have a problem with a band's sound evolving. I do however have a problem with a band intentionally altering their sound with the intent of increasing their record sales.

GZ

 

[RETIREDTrapped]

I couldn't care less about the money they make -IF the music is good....!! I don't like the black album at all, it's just not my style of music, but i couldn't care less if they sold more records with it or not.

Does this mean that if nevermore had of got paid millions for releasing DHIADW that you wouldn't like it?

I like albums for the music, not for how much money the band made, or tried to make.

 

[Poison God]

Originally posted by Trapped
I like albums for the music, not for how much money the band made, or tried to make.

Well said; I agree completely

 

[General Zod]

Originally posted by Trapped
I couldn't care less about the money they make -IF the music is good....!! I don't like the black album at all, it's just not my style of music, but i couldn't care less if they sold more records with it or not.

Does this mean that if nevermore had of got paid millions for releasing DHIADW that you wouldn't like it?

I like albums for the music, not for how much money the band made, or tried to make.

I'm not sure if you were intentionally trying to twist my words in an attempt to create a straw man argument, or if what we have is a communication breakdown. Regardless, let me reiterate the points I was trying to get across.

1 - I have no problem with a band changing their style (assuming that the change is positive).

2 - I could care less how much a band makes. I never even intimated that.

3 - I have a problem with a band deliberately changing their style, for the sole purpose of making more money, and in the process, selling out their fans (ala Metallica). You would have to be naive to believe that a band like Nevermore is going to sell 5,000,000 CDs without intentionally writing songs geared towards MTV and FM radio. In order to reach the largest audience, you have to cater to the lowest common denominator. A band like Nevermore could not do this, and remain Nevermore. It a similar vein, I agree with Chuck's quote, that Metallica should change their name, because once they sold-out, they ceased to be Metallica.

GZ