Supla- Läpivalaisu; Alexi Laiho. Part 1
http://www.supla.fi/supla/2774932
[the radio interview I was talking about, I have linked this in the finnish interview thread recently. nothing new much, and the interviewer made some mistakes (mostly I just find it annoying that finnish reporters say Alexi just simply is the best guitarist in the world like it's just a fact that no one can deny when all it really was it was a vote in a music magazine. A reason to be proud yes, but not like he won in the olympics or something lol) and also this was partially a little awkward imo but I'm so far up Alexi's ass it really doesn't matter what he's talking about I'm gonna listen. So this is the first half of that interview, i thought this was pretty nice.]
I have never, anywhere, in this world... And I mean, I have been in some pretty bad places... Places where people get shot... But I have gotten into fights only in the suburbs of Finland. ...And they did things that I don't think I can say out loud right now. I have never for even a second been afraid of a fistfight, but when people grab you and run towards you with a knife... Whatever, of course I'll run away...
Today I'm meeting Alexi Laiho. Alexi is the best metal guitarist in the world, or, just, the best guitarist in the world, as the book Mitä Missä Milloin 2011 states. Alexi is a lot of other things too; he was bullied at school. He never sleeps at night. He used to be an alcoholic, and also a telemarketer. Actually a good one as a matter of fact.
But we'll get into that later, because now I'm a little concerned if he'll arrive at all, because I hear he has a reputation of messing up.
You arrived a little ahead of time, which was a little surprising, because I was... kind of vaguely warned that you might not come here at all, if no one reminds you.
Yeah. I guess I have that kind of a reputation... But usually I arrive on time. Like today, I had my driver/assistant/friend who made sure I'm awake and stuff. I don't really know, according to him we had to leave earlier because there was some sort of a fuckin... Luxembourg's... king... or whatever coming and it would interfere with the traffic but there was nothing like that going on.
How many people are there working with you. Do you have a big team around you making sure you're in the right place at the right time, even when the king of Luxembourg is in town?
Depends on if we're touring or not, but Finland I have this one assistant who takes care of things here when I'm not here, which is most of the time. He drives me around to interviews and stuff. Then, in management, we have two dudes, one in Finland... On tour there's a whole crew, tour managers, guitar techs and all that.. Making sure I'm on stage when I have to be...
How alienated from normal people's life are you? Like, do you ever buy milk, or socks? Normal things?
I actually bought socks yesterday!
What kind of socks? From where?
From Citymarket, black socks.
Black, how surprising.
Yeah... But no actually I really like the kind of socks that really make no sense, socks that have like, lobsters on them and I like to mix them, I always wear mismatched socks. Maybe even now I'm not sure.
But more about the alienated thing. For me it usually takes a week or two to understand where I am and stuff. After tours usually I have this problem that at least for a week I wake up in the middle of the night, panicking like ”Oh shit I gotta be on stage now?!?!? I'm late?!??”. This like, horrible anxiety thing, but then I suddenly realize I'm at home, in my own bed and there's no need to do anything at all, don't need to be anywhere. The relief is really worth it though, because it really isn't the most pleasant thing to wake up in panic like that.
Alexi, whom his friends call Allu, spends most of his life on tours, that seem to last forever. Maybe that's why buying socks from Citymarket feels like something you need to mention. Many musicians are depressed after tours; when the bandmembers, planes, bus walls, fans, parties and schedules disappear and you're left alone with yourself, then who is that anymore? And how does that person make the time pass without all this?
I play with cars, american cars are my hobby... I hang out with my friends as much as I can. And then I just try to rest. Try to sleep... Which is extremely important. At this age especially.
About that sleeping...
Hypnos, the god of sleep, really isn't Alexi's biggest supporter. Alexi may be awake for days, long after anyone with normal sleep schedules may have ended up in a hospital because of sleep deprivation.
Can you sleep nowadays?
No. (laughs) Actually last night I got three hours which is pretty luxurious as I thought I wouldn't even get a single second of sleep. I really have like, a proper insomnia so... If I know there's some promotional things like this in the morning, I usually don't sleep at all. But now I got three hours which is great.
Have you found anything that would help you, even just for a moment?
Meds. Nothing else helps. That's just how it is. And sometimes just knowing I have medication that I could take helps me fall asleep. Because my problem is that my head is constantly working on overdrive and when I try to go to sleep, my head just won't turn off. And then, if I know that I have no sleeping pills, I start to get anxious and angry. And if I get angry, then I can just completely forget about sleeping because it's not going to happen. It's some sort of a psychological thing like that, so I just have to have them. I may not always have to take them, but I have to have them. And it gets worse and worse the older I get.
How does it affect your life when you're not getting any sleep?
I get really fucking angry and antisocial. And when it's been going out for several days... I've stayed awake for like, three days in a row, without even a second of sleep in between... You really start going a little crazy there. I don't know... These situations sometimes turn out to be useful; I've sometimes written songs, lyrics in a state that I can't remember at all and it has nothing to do with drugs or alcohol or anything like that, just plain lack of sleep. Then later I've fallen asleep and woken up and looked at those songs and been like ”What is this, when have I written this? This must be the best thing I've ever done?”
So I guess this can be useful to me too. At least that's how I try to look at this problem. At least there's something positive about it.
Well that's a very good way to think. If you can't help it then you just find the way to use it to your advantage. But it's strange how your body can do that.
I don't get it either. I've been thinking about that a lot on many nights; how is it possible that I'm so fucking tired, but something in me is fighting against like ”No, you won't get any sleep!”. The problem's in the brain, but I don't know how my body deals with it.
One time on stage, I had been up for two days, and I was really fucked up from just not sleeping and in the middle of a song I was suddenly like ”Wait a sec. Where am I? What am I doing? What song is this? Have I played this part already?” and those thoughts get building up bigger and bigger and I was like ”Fuck” and stopped playing for ten seconds. I got a beer and just drank it in one go. Usually I don't drink. Nowadays I don't drink on tour at all, but anyway, the beer got me sort of back to normal, which sounds weird but I got back to playing.
Did you fall asleep?
I really don't know? Maybe? It could be possible but I don't get how you could fall asleep on stage with the kind of music we play.
Maybe if you're used to it? But anyway, you said you like american cars, so what's your favorite? ...Or like... Okay I don't know anything about cars. Why are they a big deal to you?
I guess to me this isn't a hobby, it's more like a lifestyle. They are for everyday use and just... The character, the sound, how they look, how they feel... And if I'm having a bad day, I just drive around a little, maybe go to the store, I instantly start feeling better about myself when I'm driving that car. It's just a cool thing like that. I've had different kinds of cars but the one I've had for the longest in the family is '74 Dodge Monaco, which you may recognize from the movie Blues Brothers. I bought it in 2002, and I still have it, will forever have, as long as I'm alive.
Does it have a name?
Well it's Monica. You know, Dodge Monaco, it became Monica. It's not very original but Monica it just is.
Is Monica maybe like a child to you?
Nah, It's more like my mom. (laughs)
Wow. Alright. So Dodge Monaco is Alexi's mom. And then there's the other mom: Your parents are both musicians. What kind of music did they play, what kind of a musical environment did you grow up in?
They're not professional musicians, but they both do play instruments.
Ah okay, sorry.
It's alright. So yeah my dad plays the keyboards. Mom played the flute in an orchestra for a pretty long time. She sings in a choir and plays the piano.
So you were then put to music lessons too.
Yeah.
What was it like? Was it fun, even if guitar wasn't the first instrument you got?
I was put to piano lessons when I was 5, and out of what does a five year old know about music, I guess it felt a little more boring than ”wow I'm super excited”. Then I switched to violin when I was 7 years old. And even if it may not have been the coolest instrument, I actually really liked it and became pretty good at it. But the more I grew up and listened to rock, the more I wanted to start playing the guitar. And so when I was 11 I got my first guitar and that was it then.
But you had to wait, or more like, whine, for the guitar for a while before you got one.
Yeah. Whine. Absolutely.
It surely did piss you off that you couldn't get it right when you wanted it?
Yes it did. A lot. It was really an obsession to me. I would pose in front of the mirror with the violin, playing it was a guitar with Guns n Roses playing in the background. But then when I got the guitar, that was easily one of the best moments of my life.
How did it happen? Did you go into a music shop with your dad or?
I was in the elementary school back then and one morning my dad was like ”Hey I'm gonna pick you up from school today” and I usually took the bus so it was a little weird. So I was like ”Oh okay.”
Then he came to pick me up and in the car he said ”Let's go to the grocery store real quick”. But then he took me to a music shop. And I couldn't believe it. And that's how it happened. That's how I got my first guitar and amp. It was a surprise.
And it wasn't your birthday or anything?
No. No it was just a normal day. Forever grateful. Thanks dad.
Did you get to choose it yourself, was there one that you especially wanted?
No because at that time I would have taken any kind of a shit guitar I could possibly get, I was so desperate. But dad knew enough about guitars to say which one would be good for a beginner kid like me. So I got this pretty good japanese stratocaster copy. But that's where it begun.
According to Malcolm Gladwell, 10 000 hours of practice will give anyone internationally successful level skills. For Alexi, these 10 000 hours of practice were already done as a kid... So it already went to that level where you slept next to the guitar?
Yes. Well I was asleep and awake with it, yeah. Many people have asked if I was the kind of guy that I just sat in the basement and never saw anyone, but it wasn't like that. I was actually a quite social kid and I had a lot of friends. I went outside too and did the kind of things that normal guys that age were doing too. But anything that had to do with school was kinda forgotten... Back then, I did practice about six hours a day, sometimes ten.
Was there anything really difficult about it to you? Were you frustrated, like you didn't think you were going to learn something?
Of course, and still there are moments like that. But challenges have always been important to me, I always want to prove everyone and my self too that I can do this. Because if I can't then I get so pissed off about it that I can't deal with it. So I guess challenges are what keep me alive. And I guess that's kind of what the obsessive practicing was about.
So music was really important in your family? What other things were there? What kind of things did your parents teach you about life?
First of all; you always must work. You can't be a bum. That has always been an important thing. Me and my sister were taught this, that if you want something you always have to work for it. For weekly allowances I had to was my dad's car or something like that or it I wanted something I always was told to do something, without any exceptions. Nothing is for free. And I think that's a very good way to raise a kid.
You said earlier that school didn't really interest you at all... What kind of a pupil were you?
I was a bit of a restless kid. Exactly because I wasn't interested in anything, and to me it all just felt like a waste of time. So well, apparently I was restless and constantly interrupting the class, so I was often thrown into the hallway. But it wasn't that extreme really. You know, every classroom has that one guy, I was that guy. Haha. And it was all just because I was so frustrated, why am I here? Why am I listening to this shit? Why do I need to know what a polynomial is? What will I ever need this fuckin information for? I actually still don't know what that is and I don't really want to either. And I'm doing just fine, thank you.
Thank you on the behalf of all us parents too.
Was there any subject that interested you even just a little bit?
English. It was the only one that I actually got good grades from. Everything else was a 5. [the finnish school grading system is from 4 to 10 if anyone's confused] And... Well obviously music was important, I was actually in a music focused class... So from music I got a 10. That doesn't really count because music was my thing but yeah there weren't many interesting subjects for me in there...
What was your group of friends like? And what was your position in it? Where were you in the hierarchy?
….Umm I was a pretty avid skateboarder for many years so I was hanging out with those people a lot. Then when I was 15, me and our drummer Jaska and a couple of girls from our school who were also into metal music decided that Espoo sucked and we need to get out of here. So we started hanging out in Helsinki. So of course we always took the bus and went to Lepakko. And back then the basements of Lepakko were always open and there were all kinds of people, punks, blackmetallers, whatever, drinking and hanging out. So we went there and got some new friends and the whole peer group changed completely.
Then, let's think about Espoo for a moment. The usual thought of Espoo is the home of finnish middle class, the engineers, the nurses, where in the kindergartens people argue about the right kinds of edible fats. A flat in Espoo is a finnish dream, and if you get that, it's better to live in a way that gives the neighbors no reason to gossip. Guess who didn't fit in?
You're from Espoo. What kind of an area did you live in?
I was born and raised in Mankkaa, Espoo. And back then it wasn't much else than just forests and some random houses here and there. And a mall. And a gas station. I guess that was it. ...Or still is...I don't know anything about Espoo anymore. I moved away from there when I was 17 and after that I haven't really thought of it.
When you hear the word Espoo, you think of well maintained houses, engineers and nurses and estate cars. But to you it was a very different reality, you almost got killed, twice actually.
Yeah.
And you were quite young.
Yeah it really looks like Espoo is all full of that happy suburb life but there are all kind of psychopaths there. I think in any place in Espoo you have to be more careful than in the centrum of Helsinki... Or in a ghetto in LA. Really.
I have never, anywhere, in this world... And I mean, I have been in some pretty bad places... Places where people get shot... I have been just fine. But I have been in fights only in the suburbs of Finland. And in Espoo there were extremely evil people. ….They did things that I can't really say out loud now. So it isn't like what everyone thinks it is.
So there was this group of people who started to harass and persecute you because of your relationship at the time or something? Why did they choose you?
I don't know. That's a very good question. So I guess one of the psychos was dating my ex girlfriend and he thought she was still in love with me or something so that's where it began. And then suddenly I had all these people after me.
So what kind of things did they do?
They would grab me and they actually tried to kill me. With a knife. And they would harass me. Send death threats to me. It was actually the reason I had to move out because those guys would be around our house all the time so I couldn't be there, I would have died if I stayed.
Did you tell anyone about it?
Yes I told everyone like this isn't okay at all. And then my sister who had already moved out and had an apartment in Helsinki, she was like ”You need to get the fuck out of there, come live with me.” It didn't really end the problem there but if helped enough that I could freely go wherever I wanted because those guys were in Espoo and they couldn't find me in Helsinki.
That's horrible. You're a 15-16 year old whose life is in danger and no one does anything?
Yeah. No one did anything.
That sucks!
Well there wasn't much people could do. Even the police. Maybe then they would have done something if I had died... I have never been afraid of a fistfight, not even for a second, but when people grab me and threaten me with a knife... Whatever dude, of course I'm gonna run.
How did you survive? You were really young. ...And small. How can you deal with that?
It was a time in my life when I changed as a person a lot. Now that I look at it later I think I tried to relate to those people and I decided that being a nice person wouldn't help me in life. That I have to be just like those guys to be able to make it. And I became a really angry person and that's how I dealt with it all. Of course a big part of the anger was me hiding fear and depression and anxiety and all kinds of stuff but the anger really was genuine. So with that and of course music. This sounds really cliche right now but without music I absolutely wouldn't have survived. It saved me. So fortunately I started playing.
Have you met these people afterwards or heard about them, how are they doing?
No, I haven't met them anymore, and I can say now that none of them could hurt me anymore anyway because it wouldn't end well for them. But I've heard that a couple of them have died and then there's one who still keeps talking that one day he'll kill me.
A little analysis here; If as a child you've had to fear for your life, it really isn't a big surprise that getting sleep is still a problem as an adult. For many people, bullying becomes a lifelong burden, that disables them and distances them, at least mentally. For Alexi, music was a savior.
So school didn't interest you at all, and at the age of 15 you confidently told your parents you were going to be a musician, or even a rockstar.
13, actually.
Oh at 13 already, Ok. What did they say?
At the time they had already noticed that there was nothing that would motivate me enough to study anything else, so it was a better option for them too just to start supporting me in the thing I actually was passionate about. And I wouldn't have gotten into any schools anyway even if I applied so when I told them I'm not going to go to high school ar anything, they just said I have to get a job. And I got one, and also kept writing and practicing.
What did you do for living then?
Believe if or not, I was actually a telemarketer for two months.
Unbelievable!
But it's true! I was selling dictionaries that were meant for secondary school kids or something like that.
Can you still remember the whole thing you were supposed to say?
No I can't remember it but I was supposed to learn this short speech to start the call with. Believe it or not I actually did quite well in it. But then fortunately a friend of mine was a construction worker and he said there was a place open and I just went ”please just help me get to an interview there so I'll get out of this telemarketing shit”. And I got the interview... And I got the job. It was very hard physical work and the days were long but I got paid well so I could support myself. And that's what I did until we started getting enough money from our music too, which was around the time when our second album came out... In 1999.
I have to wask about the telemarketing still... How did you get yourself in the mood to do it? Was it difficult to pick up the phone at first?
Well I thought of it as a challenge. So in my head I managed to convince myself that this is something extremely important. I thought that this is so important that this job gets done and this fuckin book gets sold... I don't think I would have been able to do that otherwise. I wasn't like, sounding all depressed there repeating the same things, I actually got into the mood that I was somehow very excited about the dictionaries that I was selling like ”this is the shit!” (laughs)