converters

Yes..that thread is great.....damn..this is my question......why " good converters " are so ridicolous expensive???? at this point I'll buy new mics and new pre..
 
This really opened up my eyes: http://www.gearslutz.com/board/gear...5267-lynx-aurora-16-vs-behringer-ada8000.html

So indeed, converters have a very small effect.

Haha, I love how after the results have been revealed they all try to justify why the Aurora is actually the better converter despite their original preference to the ADA8000. LOL. Crappy graphs FTL :rolleyes:

This has seriously got me thinking about picking one up, I only wish (like somebody mentioned on that thread) that they made it without the preamps.

EDIT: could you still run a separate preamp into the front panel line ins?
 
I don't think that the graphs are necessarily wrong. It is quite likely that they all like what the ADA8000 is doing to the sound with its added harmonic distortion and noise. We're strange creatures that way.
 
I don't think that the graphs are necessarily wrong. It is quite likely that they all like what the ADA8000 is doing to the sound with its added harmonic distortion and noise. We're strange creatures that way.

No, I agree, I was just observing that instead of using their ears to make that final decision they fell back on graphs to 'tell them' what sounded better. That's what I was getting at. I'm sure that just like mics and preamps, frequency deviations from 'flat' actually cause us to go 'whoa, that sounded cool'.
 
Because big studios won't buy cheap gear, even if they are as good as you can get :lol:

I think this goes for most commercial items. Big can of worms though, so I'm not going to make this into a capatalist rambling.

More expensive the item is= Stupid rich people: 'Oh it must be good'
 
No, I agree, I was just observing that instead of using their ears to make that final decision they fell back on graphs to 'tell them' what sounded better. That's what I was getting at. I'm sure that just like mics and preamps, frequency deviations from 'flat' actually cause us to go 'whoa, that sounded cool'.

Definitely. I agree.

What's interesting is that I picked B out of the test, without knowing which was which. I still listen to it now and it sounds better in that very slight way. It's almost subliminal, some inherent fatness and cohesion that the other doesn't seem to have.

I've heard some other converter comparisons that were quite a lot closer than this, but for some reason a lot of people couldn't pick the more expensive piece of gear here.

After seeing so many get it wrong I was hoping the two would sound closer to each other than they do. Even so, I think for the money you really can't go wrong with the Behringer there, as much as it pains me to say it.

I recommend listening to the clip and rather than trying to pick individual details like highs, lows whatever... listen to it as a whole and try to 'feel' which one gets you more pumped. Taking it back and listening like any layman would can make the difference in these close-call situations.
 
I'll chime in and say that good converters won't make you a better mixer. However they WILL reduce the amount of work it takes to GET that great mix.

We upgraded from a Mk1 MOTU 2408 to a Lynx Aurora 16 and the difference was noticeable immediatly, especially on drums which had more punch and depth from the word go. Also flaws in the mix were very apparent on old projects, phasing issues we'd never previously notices now jumped from the speakers.

Add a great preamp to the mix and your work gets easier still. I only wish we could afford another 3 API 3124's