Disappointing SX Setlists...

Ya gotta admit that if the only thing that doesn't satisfy some fans with their band is the setlist; then things aren't too bad.

Every Russell-era Symphony X is good. I totally understand and don't totally disagree that they've decided to pull out the muscle(song-wise) for this tour.
Yeah, the crowd'll definitely be blown away by those choices. "Wicked" is definitely a killer live.

However, in the future it would honestly be a treat for the SX faithful(at least myself and some others in this thread) to play "The Edge Of Forever" instead of "Of Sins And Shadows"(which is kinda like becoming the Tom Sawyer of SX[which isn't a totally fair comparison as I can actually come up with some bad Rush songs]) or "In The Dragon's Den" instead of "Evolution". Or how about "Pharaoh"? And that's the point. Symphony X have such an immense catalog of truly great songs that they all deserve the moniker of being called a "classic"(except for the 1st album). If repetitive play is what defines a "classic" to some fans; then I'm afraid that that jewel of a word has been robbed of much of its honorable meaning.

To me, a "classic" is a really great song. Period.

And Symphony X has a whole lot of those.
And I don't know about a certain handful of SX fans, but I for one would have no grievances if the band chose to play a setlist of entirely random choices.
 
i think they should play all their catalog, different songs from all albums.

and whats up with the new album, wasnt it supposed to be out last year? they keep coming up with excuses for such a long time...

baah sorry about my nonsense, i agree with the gentlemen above me
 
Theres too many different posts for me to comment on and I'm too lazy to quote them all so...

THose songs (Sea of Lies, Evolution, INferno, Sins etc) are their "hits" for a reason. Out of all their shorter songs, those fucking slay. Sure they have others that slay as well (Dragon's Den, Out of the Ashes, Damnation Game, Dressed to Kill etc) but seriously, as a "best of" list of songs, the ones they play the most definitely make up the top of that list. Hearing one or two surprises in a set is nice (like when I saw them do Out of the Ashes and Eyes of Medusa on their mini tour in March of 03) but when I see a band live, I want to see them do the songs that will tear my head off. I don't want SymX to play Savage Curtain just cause its a song they don't play live. They know what works live, so if you don't like it, then don't go to the concert.
 
Out of the 4 times I've seen them, I remember being surprised that a song was played once or twice, other than that I could have guessed the setlist before going to the show. If they kept a core group of songs, maybe 3 or 4 or them, then thats fine, but its refreshing to hear some new songs every once in awhile.
 
Sure russell could do the old songs, but they are working ona a new album, so rehearsing old songs for gigantour aint a good thing! + I'd love to see all the other songs, but it doesn't hurt me to not see them either! As I said previously, the fans on the forums voted for the setlist, and they went by it! Its not Symphony X's fall that we voted for those songs!

But... I would love to see the other songs as well, Odyssey live? Awakenings? Edge of Forever? Damnation Game? Lady Of the Snow, Candlelight Fantasia... Comeon there is to many classique songs :(
 
Yngvai X said:
Theres too many different posts for me to comment on and I'm too lazy to quote them all so...

THose songs (Sea of Lies, Evolution, INferno, Sins etc) are their "hits" for a reason. Out of all their shorter songs, those fucking slay. Sure they have others that slay as well (Dragon's Den, Out of the Ashes, Damnation Game, Dressed to Kill etc) but seriously, as a "best of" list of songs, the ones they play the most definitely make up the top of that list. Hearing one or two surprises in a set is nice (like when I saw them do Out of the Ashes and Eyes of Medusa on their mini tour in March of 03) but when I see a band live, I want to see them do the songs that will tear my head off. I don't want SymX to play Savage Curtain just cause its a song they don't play live. They know what works live, so if you don't like it, then don't go to the concert.
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The songs you refer to as "hits" are probably hits because to most people, they are much more listenable. By that I mean you can bypass 5 minute intros and elaborate orchestral and symphonic pieces. I've come to realize that the "typical" SX fan doesnt want to hear the old material because it requires too much attention span, or simply isnt groove oriented enough. If I wanted to hear the same 3-5 songs all the time, I would turn on the RADIO. Seems these days "fans" just want quick hits, something to go crazy to for a couple minutes and then high five everyone around them, rather than really take the time and appreciate all the other diversity in SX's catalog. Ignoring the old "classics," wont last forever. Any good metal lover isnt gonna just buy The Odyssey and think they should just play from that. And in regards to not going to the show if I dont like what they play, that is a RIDICULOUS point of view. Mainly because I will be there no matter what they play, whereas there just may be some who stay home once your "alleged" classics stop getting played, and the real classics do. Can't wait!
 
I love the songs they play live now... There's not gonna be a Symphony X show without most of these being played: Sins, Sea of Lies, Inferno, Wicked, Smoke and Mirrors. They're great live songs.

That being said, I really do hope they bust out something like ORION, Masquerade, The friggin' Relic, Dragon's Den, The Damnation Game, Dressed to Kill - in order of how kickass they would be - on the next tour. And that's just heavy live songs; I'm going to join the people begging for Edge of Forever.

But hey. It's their band, it's their call - their shows rock my face off either way. They're my favorite band and everything, but it does kind of wear on you when you keep driving 3 hours to Cleveland to see the same set.
 
DREAM THEATER were joined by special guests Dave Mustaine (MEGADETH), Burton C. Bell (FEAR FACTORY) and Russell Allen (SYMPHONY X) during the final song of their set — a cover of PANTERA's "Cemetary Gates", in honor of fallen hometown hero "Dimebag" Darrrell Abbott — Tuesday night (August 2) at Nokia Live in Dallas, Texas. DREAM THEATER's complete setlist for the Dallas show was as follows:

01. The Root Of All Evil
02. A Fortune In Lies
03. Fatal Tragedy
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04. Panic Attack
05. Just Let Me Breathe
06. Endless Sacrifice
07. The Mirror / Lie
08. As I Am
09. Pull Me Under

Encore:
10. Cemetary Gates (PANTERA cover) w/ special guests Dave Mustaine (MEGADETH), Burton C. Bell (FEAR FACTORY) and Russell Allen (SYMPHONY X)


I guess thats as close as we'll get to SX doing a cover of Cemetary Gates. God I wish I could get a recording of that.
 
I would be nice if they those "An evening with..." shows that DT does. SX could play their longer songs for fans who must hear DWoT live (like me :loco: ).

Maybe someone who happens to be a mod here can make a suggestion to MJR ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) wink ;) ;) ;)
 
soundgarden said:
I would be nice if they those "An evening with..." shows that DT does. SX could play their longer songs for fans who must hear DWoT live (like me :loco: ).

Maybe someone who happens to be a mod here can make a suggestion to MJR ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) wink ;) ;) ;)
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I dont think your the first person to ask about an Evening with.. show, nor the last, nor has it never been thought about.


I'm sure we'd all love it, but question is do they have the stamina for it? Can they go night in and night out playing 3 hrs? They've done 1 full headlining tour, 70+ shows in Europe/NA and they looked tired as hell after both shows they did doing a 70 minute set. They leave it all on the stage. I think we'll be getting longer sets for sure in the future, I see it as more gradual than 70 > 180 mins.
 
rockyracoon...

I don't think the fans now days are into the fast not elaborate songs, its quite the opposite, any fan of symphony X has studied there complexity about a zillion times, and love those 3 - 5 minutes intros, those are the most memorable moments! But People who've never heard of Symphony X, and might not be into Prog Metal yet, have to hear the faster paced songs to get them into it! my First Symphony X songs where Awakenings & Infero, when I finnaly purchased the CD I listened to their stuff alot more, I almost fell asleep during the Odyssey, I was new to Prog metal, and very New to Symphony X... So this is why we get the same re-occuring songs for small tours, to get 'new' fans, not appeal to the old ones! One thing I'm sure many people can say, is the more you listen to a Symphony X song, the better it gets, and its true-each time you understand the song more and more.. Playing the more classic songs would be a big stunt to pool during a 30 min show...Not to mention how much less of an encore they'll get!
 
I'll just throw this one out and leave it all for you to think about. Considering the band's past touring experience don't they deserve a little more time to develope a set list of songs that they want? No touring was done for the self titled, Damnation game or even Divine Wings. The first touring the did was for Twilight. It was minimal at best. Touring in the US was basically nil. Then came V. Touring was a bit large with only 9 showis in North America. NOw comes the ODyssey. This is the first albume where touring as even become extensive. 3 legs of touring as a support act (Blind Guardian, Stratovarius, and Gigantour) have been logged on this tour alone. CAn you at leasst give them some time to build things up to their own liking and also to have the backing support in the line fo booking for full legth shows before you decide to ask them to perform odds and sods because you think it will please the hard core fans. While the band have relased 6 albums only 2 of them have really receive US releases close to their world wide dates. Just a little more food for thought.

Feel free to bicker and complain,

Glenn
 
once again, i completely understand why SX is playing Gigantour with the current setlist. what im saying is that it would be nice to touch on the old material, not necessarily now, but soon. i will continue to support SX and have patience for the vast catalog of untoured material. but i simply dont buy some of the explanations(excuses) people are making for them such as they need to rehearse, which is a joke. SX are professionals, and know their music inside and out. they are all virtuoso musicians and have only gotten better with time. I saw them play The Odyssey, so they can certainly play ANYTHING in their catalog with ease. just think maybe there's a way to please everyone, with some old and some new. hope that happens when they tour their next album.
 
rockyracoon said:
but i simply dont buy some of the explanations(excuses) people are making for them such as they need to rehearse, which is a joke. SX are professionals, and know their music inside and out. they are all virtuoso musicians and have only gotten better with time. I saw them play The Odyssey, so they can certainly play ANYTHING in their catalog with ease.
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Which is exactly why when I showed Romeo a transcription I did of his solo for Inferno he said "yeah looks good man, I mean...I can't remember half the shit I play on the albums anyway."

Its not a question of the physical capacity to play these songs. There is MUCH more to it than that. Considering if these songs have gone dorment, they might have just forgotten how to play some of it and would need time to rehearse it so they can bang it out as a band. Also keep in mind that Lepond is a fairly new member, so anything they haven't played pre-V he probably hasn't even learned yet to begin with.

So wouldn't you say that its easier to make a setlist out of songs that are newer or ones that are played a lot so everything is very well rehearsed than to drudge up songs that you wrote possibly 10 years ago (if we're talking about the first album) that have never been played live and you yourself probably haven't played them in a very long time (possibly since they were recorded) either?
 
Yngvai X said:
Which is exactly why when I showed Romeo a transcription I did of his solo for Inferno he said "yeah looks good man, I mean...I can't remember half the shit I play on the albums anyway."

Its not a question of the physical capacity to play these songs. There is MUCH more to it than that. Considering if these songs have gone dorment, they might have just forgotten how to play some of it and would need time to rehearse it so they can bang it out as a band. Also keep in mind that Lepond is a fairly new member, so anything they haven't played pre-V he probably hasn't even learned yet to begin with.


UNBELIEVABLE!!!!! Michael Romeo could sit down with a guitar and listen to an old song ONCE, and play it. It's not like he's some guy who needs to sit around and rewind the cd a million times to get it right. As far as Lepond, he too would have ZERO problems with any old material. We arent talking about some group of guys like Yes, or some other washed up band of relics who cant even play their own licks anymore, SX are young and full of energy!!! Any arguement involving technicality of songs is just not valid. Oh wait he hasnt learned it yet??? Gimme a break, those guys are machines.
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Divine Wings Of Tragedy said:
i think they should play all their catalog, different songs from all albums.

and whats up with the new album, wasnt it supposed to be out last year? they keep coming up with excuses for such a long time...

baah sorry about my nonsense, i agree with the gentlemen above me
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Yea man, they forced me to wait! Now Gigantour, I think they should revise their setlist every night like DT does.
 
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