Do you let the 50/60Hz analog hiss on your plugs ?

LeSedna

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Hello,

It's a total matter of taste, but I have found that letting the emulated 50hz/60hz hiss (don't know if "hiss" is the consecrated term) ON gives you the feeling of something more "realistic". It's plain stupid in essence, cause it's just a parasite artifact, but it gives some artificial warmth I like. It recreates the noise floor which you may not have if you are using a synth vsti for example. It pleases my ear by sometimes giving it a signature sound of "real" recorded music.

A few months ago, I discovered why I was always putting a noisegate in the end of some of my tracks in order to get the noise floor to be "perfect" when no instrument or sound is playing, until I understood it wasn't just compression or any internal noise, but my plugins virtual hiss.

Since then, on my waves ssl or cla compressors, I let them always ON, unless I wanna have something 100% transparent and clean (which means : when there is no sound IN in zero channel on the whole mixer, the output is -inf). With a few compressors, it's really quickly obvious. And if you have many tracks on your mixer with at least one instance of this noisefloor, like if you are using a console emulation on all your tracks, it's obvious too.

If ever you don't know what I mean, listen to this : If you have the album, go listen to it cause youtube sucks it a lot. I'm talking about the noisefloor that is tremendous on this track but gives it its authentic sound. In this case, it's all 100% high end analogue work, so I guess they didn't have the choice anyway.

As I wasn't aware of that, I thought maybe some other here aren't either, or don't "play" with it as much as I do today, so I thought it was worth posting it.
 
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Nah I always turn it off. The hiss and line hum is a drawback of working in analogue. The plug-ins make it even worse because the noise floor is usually 'set' on the plug-in, commonly quite high in relation to a conservative working level (-18dBFS). This at times makes the plug-ins noisier than the hardware itself, provided you've calibrated your converters to your working level. Sucks hard, and I want none of it.

I print enough outboard that the noise just ends up in the mixes regardless.
 
I bloody hate it to be honest. Bombfactory 1176/Joemeek = Hiss machine. Any Waves analogue simulations = Hiss machine. Slate VCC = Hiss machine (though not as bad)
IF I WANT WHITE NOISE ALL OVER MY TRACKS I'LL OPEN A COPY OF SIGNAL GENERATOR AND DO IT MYSELF THANKYOU!

Why these plugin manufacturers put this stuff in is absolutely beyond me. When everything used to be recorded and mixed in analogue engineers recorded as hot as possible to get away from the noise floor! Now that we have nice super quiet preamps and low noise floor digital recording these fuckers are giving us the very thing that we're trying to get away from!
It's like they sit and go "So they wants a 1176 simulation huh? We better throw in a whole load of fake static along with it! Hey it's like that in the original right so it's gotta be good!"

No it's not.

Give us the best of the analogue world. Saturation, the compression characteristics, the character. Give us all that good stuff. Model it as accurately as you can.
And then give us the best of the digital world. The low fucking noise floor that everyone involved in audio technology for the last 20 years has strived to achieve through constant refining of preamp and converter technology.

As usual everyone seems to think it's better to copy something exactly, warts and all, instead of actually trying to improve and make something *gasp* BETTER than the original! Even if it's just in the noise element. At least Waves give you the option to switch it off I suppose.

End rant.
 
I absolutely hate it, if I ever forget to turn it off and chain a few comps, which then go to a bus with more compression then the 2 bus, it just gets unbearable and I have to track it down!
 
I bloody hate it to be honest. Bombfactory 1176/Joemeek = Hiss machine. Any Waves analogue simulations = Hiss machine. Slate VCC = Hiss machine (though not as bad)
IF I WANT WHITE NOISE ALL OVER MY TRACKS I'LL OPEN A COPY OF SIGNAL GENERATOR AND DO IT MYSELF THANKYOU!

Why these plugin manufacturers put this stuff in is absolutely beyond me. When everything used to be recorded and mixed in analogue engineers recorded as hot as possible to get away from the noise floor! Now that we have nice super quiet preamps and low noise floor digital recording these fuckers are giving us the very thing that we're trying to get away from!
It's like they sit and go "So they wants a 1176 simulation huh? We better throw in a whole load of fake static along with it! Hey it's like that in the original right so it's gotta be good!"

No it's not.

Give us the best of the analogue world. Saturation, the compression characteristics, the character. Give us all that good stuff. Model it as accurately as you can.
And then give us the best of the digital world. The low fucking noise floor that everyone involved in audio technology for the last 20 years has strived to achieve through constant refining of preamp and converter technology.

As usual everyone seems to think it's better to copy something exactly, warts and all, instead of actually trying to improve and make something *gasp* BETTER than the original! Even if it's just in the noise element. At least Waves give you the option to switch it off I suppose.

End rant.

Rock. Hard place.

If they did that... you'd all say "but that sounds nothing like an 1176!!"
 
Dunno about that, I've never heard of anyone saying that the CLA plugins only sound like a 1176 when they have the white noise button on? It's not like the character of the compression changes.
 
Dunno about that, I've never heard of anyone saying that the CLA plugins only sound like a 1176 when they have the white noise button on? It's not like the character of the compression changes.

But where do you stop with removing characteristics of the hardware? Some people might think the sagging effect of the hardware box is detrimental, others might feel hardware X imparts too much colour, and the software shouldn't.

And you end up in the realm of models that don't sound particularly close to the original.

As far as I care, we shouldn't be chasing after hardware models anyway. There are plenty out there. Companies should be making new and improved compressors, EQ's, and other units.. and adding functionality that the hardware could never achieve.
 
I hate the hiss coming from the API Waves plugs, but you can only switch the hiss of by turning "analog" off....unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a switch that switched ONLY the hiss off but leaves the plugin in "analog" mode
 
Sometimes it can be tasteful to have noise in the mix. It seems to be a quality that repeatedly shows up in early 90's punk rock recordings, but it's not really a desirable aesthetic anymore.
 
never tried it on the pultec and neve emulation as i haven´t used them yet. but did anybody notice the noise you get from the waves h-delay?
it´s quite annoying when there is no music...
 
I'm using MANY instances of waves API in my mixes and always found the hiss to be annoying in pauses.... But tbh I never noticed it in a metal mix UNLESS there's a pause and the monitors are dimed
 
I have enough tinnitus that the noise just annoys the hell out of me. Turn it off.

Companies should be making new and improved compressors, EQ's, and other units.. and adding functionality that the hardware could never achieve.

Yes.
 
I almost always leave it on. But I like noise that isn't part of the instruments, I like tastefully out of tune vocals (or at least well sung non auto tuned vocals) and I've noticed you like similar music to me LeSedna so maybe you like it too? Nothing bores me more than lifeless gridlocked auto tuned shred fests with no soul.

But most guys on this forum probably want their recording as clean and tight as possible and there is nothing wrong with that either.