DT do it for the money?!?

[Schwedentod]

Hello Guys,

great to be here with you! Yesterday, I talked to a promoter of Nuclear Blast and he told me that they wanted to sign DT but they (or their management) wanted too much money... I know the guys because I met them 3 times and I never had the impression that they would do their music for the money. But I got something that really bothered me the whole day yesterday - my favourite band doing everything just for money?!? As far as I know, they don't even earn enough to live from, they all have "regular" jobs.

Questions over questions, maybe someone can help me in my misery?!? Thanks!!!

 

[rahvin]

i don't find anything outrageous in signing for the label that offers the best deal. aside from that, i guess you're welcome to revel in misery for any reason you find appropriate.

 

[Legende]

Schwedentod : No, they just value their contract. It's not about making music for money, they make music anyway. It's just about being bought by nuclear blast, a label change, considering their terms DT can consider if the deal is fair enough and offer their price according to the disadvantages they would encounter in such big commercial production house as Nuclear Blast.

Remember that this last one is also very "into money", they destroyed bands not because those didn't bring enough money but because Nuclear Blast didn't think they were enough of a big gold fish compared to other bands they would promote and produce the shit out of. Nuclear Blast will always make bands feel like their scene is tight especially for modern death metal, swedish for two. But they have money, so the least is to take it from them.

 

[His Divine Shadow]

I think any band is into it for the money (as well as the music). Anyone who believes otherwise is just fooling themselves IMO. If they were only into it for the music, why would any band try to get a record deal? Why not just stay home and play for themselves in a garage or something? There's nothing wrong with getting a good record deal and trying to make some money doing what you want to do. We all have to work for a living, and some are just lucky they get to make music and not sit in an office all day.

 

[rahvin]

there's that.
plus i can't see why implying that the label who - for any reason - offers the worst deal is inherently better than the one who's ready to part with more money. so i assume in order to prove you're not in it for the money you always have to go for the option that grants you the least... how clever.
not to mention that nb and cm are completely undistinguishable and more or less the same company in the states. i can hardly see one asking the band to sell their soul to the evil of corporate music and the other waving the flag of metal freedom, which i suppose would be black anyway.

 

[His Divine Shadow]

edit: never mind

 

[Schwedentod]

OK, thanks for answering so fast!

@HDS: The point is, you need a contract and promotion to get on tour... and I know that DT love being on tour (ever seen their faces when they are on stage?).

Mikael told me that the contract with Century Media ended with DD, so it sounded true that NB tried to get DT. I personally don't like NB because of exactly the reasons Legende told above! I just can't believe that DT are too expensive for NB (they have In Flames, Stratovarius, Nightwish, Manowar which are more expensive than DT for sure) and I'm happy they stay at Century Media. To my mind the best home for DT!

 

[His Divine Shadow]

OK, thanks for answering so fast!

@HDS: The point is, you need a contract and promotion to get on tour... and I know that DT love being on tour (ever seen their faces when they are on stage?).

I understand what you're saying, it's just I don't think you should feel bad about the band.

I look at my brother as an example. He plays in a blues band and he absolutely does it for the love of the music. However he is happy to get paid for playing gigs, and he most certainly would welcome the highest amount of money he could get for a record deal. But that doesn't take anything away for his love of the music. That's what I think is the same situation for most bands in the metal business too!

 

[rahvin]

cm in europe is less strictly metal-oriented than nb, which is something i also like better. i'm pretty sure it's not a matter of how expensive dt are, but how nb assumed they would fit their bands pool and how much they thought they were worth in the label's policy.

 

[Schwedentod]

@HDS again: Of course DT try to make as much money as they can, but I really hoped that they don't choose Label just by the amount of the money they can earn... Remember that they told they went to CM in 1999 because they were the only one who wanted to release Projector in it's natural form, without telling the band to record some harder stuff for the album? That's what I mean, they should stay at CM because their promotors get the new albums when they're FINISHED, they can't change the Songs/ Booklet design any more...

@rahvin: The label's policy is the point... At CM, DT are something like one of the biggest bands, they get what they deserve. At NB, they would be one in a million... *g*

 

[rahvin]

Music bussiness is not for weak, it needs a strong mind so you keep pushing forward trough the fire, storm, chaos and set backs...

after such a list of disasters, "setbacks" sounded particularly funny.
"yesterday an unexpected setback devastated the city of pleasantville, ma"

 

[His Divine Shadow]

@HDS again: Of course DT try to make as much money as they can, but I really hoped that they don't choose Label just by the amount of the money they can earn... Remember that they told they went to CM in 1999 because they were the only one who wanted to release Projector in it's natural form, without telling the band to record some harder stuff for the album? That's what I mean, they should stay at CM because their promotors get the new albums when they're FINISHED, they can't change the Songs/ Booklet design any more...

well, I don't think we have to really worry about DT. I mean, I think they'll always manage to put out the kind of record they want to do (I hope) and not something watered-down or otherwise changed by the record company.

And I'm sure there's other reasons than besides just the money aspect for who they want to go with for a record company. There's probably many other variables that we don't know about.

 

[Legende]

Make you guys should wonder if DT didn't just ask the same price as In Flames and NB considering high as they underrate DT.
And DT will keep their price that high as long as they know what they are worth.

It's about honor.

 

[Siren]

I, too, agree that maybe it wasn't DT who asked too much, but NB that thought it was too much for DT...

Also, as stated by other people before me, i don't see why one should go for the worst money deal when somebody else is offering more, doesn't interfere with how your music should be, and you've worked with them for quite some time without really having any problems (i guess).

 

[Villain]

Back when I heard about the DT's contract with CM ending, I asked Niklas, if the band was in some way disappointed with CM as a label, and his answer was a rather definitive "no" - they just wanted to check, what other options they had. Thus, it never was at all likely for DT to sign up for NB anyway. They just probably wanted to know, how much "worth" they would have been for NB.

All in all, I find the topic's "for the money" accusation completely unfounded.

-Villain (who'd do it for the money any day - heck, I'd even do it for free. )

 

[DeepInMisery]

I don't know them, so i can't say for sure, but i don't think their ultimate goal is making money. I think the best reward they can get is when they go on tour and meet roaring crowds.. but since they're starving musicians with everyday-jobs, why not get as much money as possible out of it?

btw, i'm really interested in seeing the sales-figures for their albums, especially the latest "Damage Done". does anyone know if/where this material is available, online?

 

[rahvin]

btw, i'm really interested in seeing the sales-figures for their albums, especially the latest "Damage Done". does anyone know if/where this material is available, online?

dunno about online, but i can ask and report back. i don't think the information is classified...

 

[DeepInMisery]

dunno about online, but i can ask and report back. i don't think the information is classified...

nice that kind of information can be seen in the daily press, but then were talking top-selling pop-artists..

 

[wildfyr]

Hello Guys,

great to be here with you! Yesterday, I talked to a promoter of Nuclear Blast and he told me that they wanted to sign DT but they (or their management) wanted too much money... I know the guys because I met them 3 times and I never had the impression that they would do their music for the money. But I got something that really bothered me the whole day yesterday - my favourite band doing everything just for money?!? As far as I know, they don't even earn enough to live from, they all have "regular" jobs.

Questions over questions, maybe someone can help me in my misery?!? Thanks!!!

what do YOU do for money, honey?

 

[Schwedentod]

@Villain: May be a bad Headline for this Thread, that's right! But I'm a true DT-Fan, so I wondered about what this guy was talking about yesterday... I really couldn't believe it so I thought it might be a good idea to talk to you guys about all this... Sorry for any circumstances...

@wildfyr: Anything you want... *lol* No, of course I agree to the people here who say that it's OK to get the biggest possible amount of money for the music. I just hoped that DT don't start to believe to make "the big money" by releasing commercial music. It would... break my heart!

Greetz... Daniel