Educational vs Retail (cubase5)

[professorlamp]

Yesyes, this thread has been done before and apparently they're the same but before I go and purchase cubase 5 I was wandering through old stuff related to it and found this;

Just a point of reference - Educational version of software, while less expensive, have limitation on "for commercial use" and in most cases if you hope to make money with audio engineering you would have to purchase the full licensed version and since it was noted he was looking to go "legit" it's probably a valid issue.

Jind, what do you mean by this?
is this an ACTUAL restriction within cubase?
Or just a business sort of thing, how much money are we talking about earning to count as profit per annum?

anyone care to elaborate on what he means?
I have a composition in very soon and I thought it'd be quicker to order the newest cubase (currently using 4, its crapped out on me completely, error messages when trying to watch the video alongside the music and now just wont load)
instead of downloading reaper paying for that and using that

Im currently pulling my hair out over reaper, im not saying it's bad but cubase has been my only DAW ever so it's hard to adjust.

anyway... back to topic, exactly the same? restrictions?

cheers

 

[guitarguru777]

If you are planning to use Cubase to make money at all, you need to buy the full version.

Thats what it means.

 

[professorlamp]

All I wanted to know , cheers

 

[DigitalMetal]

There is no physical limitation in the software just an ethics thing with the license agreement.
I think an educational user would be the the last person Steinberg would be chasing for a full license, considering all the people who use cracks they need to nail first.
If you are legitimate enough to be allowed to purchase a student version i wouldnt worry at all.
once its purchased there is nothing in the box (apart from sometimes a sticker) or on the dongle that says its educational (at at least there wasn't when i was still working in MI retail).
ive also never heard of steinberg UK going searching for users like waves do.
I say get your EDU Version and enjoy it if thats what you want,
i would hazzard a guess that if you are a student by the time you are making enough money for the licensees to worry about version 6 will be out

 

[professorlamp]

Nice to hear from someone working in the retail
looks like i'll be going ahead with that tomorrow morning

 

[DigitalMetal]

Nice to hear from someone working in the retail
looks like i'll be going ahead with that tomorrow morning

I haven't been in retail for about 5 years but my experience tells me that retailers don't give a hoot as long as you have the correct proof that you are a student, they just wanna sell the shit and move on to the next sale.
Steinberg in the UK have always been quite quiet in the public eye too they don't chase users for proof of license in the same way waves have been rampant about.
I think im safe in saying if they knocked on your door and you could show them a dongle they wouldn't care.

Back in the ol days when steinberg first released SX and Nuendo 2 with a USB dongle i got they VERY cheap as NFR's being in retail, i have since upgraded the licenses with standard steinberg upgrades without any problem and there is nothing to show that my original licenses were NFR,

In a nutshell chasing this kind of thing with users would cost them more money than they make from the software in the first place.

I thing it might be more likely your record company and Publishers might want to check your licenses before releasing and i cant see that happening either much.

 

[decoys]

for what i know, edu versions can be used for commercial use also, but you are not allowed to sell them, since you are the person that gets the benefit while being a student ... i asked that at the steinberg forum a while back, too.
same with adobe. you get the software for less money, because you as a student are short(er) on cash. you can even upgrade your edu, when there is a new version available and its a full version then! great deal!

 

[Jind]

While I don't own Cubase so I can't speak to the exact EULA for it's education versions, I can only tell you that almost every other piece of EDU software I have ever bought (most many years ago when I was in school), they had a sticker or a portion of the EULA that stated the product was for "Non-Commerical Use Only". Hell, half the freeware you download has a non-commerical use clause in the EULA - it's free as long as it's not used in a "personal use" manner.

As for it being a legal or an ethical issue - it most certainly is a legal issue if the EULA has a non-commercial use statement. Will they come after you, probably not, but do they maintain the right to come after you - they most certainly do. Go ahead and produce a commercial success on the backs of stolen or misused software and advertise it - I have a feeling a call from a lawyer will soon follow. It's also an ethical issue as only an individual can decide whether they want to misuse something.

Personally I'd email Steinberg and ask before assuming, but that's just me as I tend to not trust the internet for things I might get sued for

 

[Skaldir]

for what i know, edu versions can be used for commercial use also, but you are not allowed to sell them, since you are the person that gets the benefit while being a student ... i asked that at the steinberg forum a while back, too.
same with adobe. you get the software for less money, because you as a student are short(er) on cash. you can even upgrade your edu, when there is a new version available and its a full version then! great deal!

Yeah atleast in Germany its perfectly fine to make money with an EDU version of Cubase. Don't know about other countries though. There might be another rights.
With adobe I heard its a different story.

 

[DigitalMetal]

how often do you ever find out what DAW a commercial song was mixed on?
- seriously doubt its even worth thinking about let alone worrying about, maybe consider it when you get to the point of a release, until then i wouldnt worry.

 

[Jind]

how often do you ever find out what DAW a commercial song was mixed on?
- seriously doubt its even worth thinking about let alone worrying about, maybe consider it when you get to the point of a release, until then i wouldnt worry.

Apples and oranges I guess - we just think differently. Personally I like to know that I'm legal with the things I choose to do. I don't justify downloading software with a "try before I buy" mentality, the same goes for music. It's just a mindset I guess. Sort of like car insurance - I like to know it's up to date before the accident happens.

As for what software top producers use for their recordings - I'm pretty sure we debate it here every day so we do tend to know what software has been used for commercially successful recordings.

Once again - it's just a mindset I guess. No debate needed - different strokes for different folks.

 

[decoys]

Yeah atleast in Germany its perfectly fine to make money with an EDU version of Cubase. Don't know about other countries though. There might be another rights.
With adobe I heard its a different story.

OT, but: Adobe released their student/teacher versions, which are fully commercial usable, fyi. thats why I spend serious money the last weeks I was a student

 

[DigitalMetal]

Apples and oranges I guess - we just think differently. Personally I like to know that I'm legal with the things I choose to do. I don't justify downloading software with a "try before I buy" mentality, the same goes for music. It's just a mindset I guess. Sort of like car insurance - I like to know it's up to date before the accident happens.

As for what software top producers use for their recordings - I'm pretty sure we debate it here every day so we do tend to know what software has been used for commercially successful recordings.

Once again - it's just a mindset I guess. No debate needed - different strokes for different folks.

indeed, ive run out of steam on this one, but dont get me wrong im not saying being illegal with anything is acceptable, and i far from condone try before you buy.
but this isnt the case here, plus its a whole heap of speculation.
best thing he can do if its gonna loose him sleep is call steinberg,
but for the record he IS legal if he is a student and bought a student licence, if he then in the future makes a commercial release he may want to check his EULA with steiny to make sure he's all good.

*EDIT* Actually thinking a bit more about this, you will be able to make commercial releases with a student license and use it in exactly the same way as a full verion, As all the documentation and EULA inside the box of a EDU/NFR and Full version are the EXACTLY the same, therefore you are agreeing the the same EULA for any version when you open the box.

 

[SimonSez]

Actually my copy of Cubase 5 Educational Edition says "Educational" in the dongle software license.

I think the whole Educational thing is sort of like the Reaper software where you have the Personal/Commercial versions ($40 personal/$150 commercial). You probably won't get caught unless you have a studio business, which in that case you could possibly get in trouble if someone tells on you.

 

[Rhys Llewellyn]

I haven't been in retail for about 5 years but my experience tells me that retailers don't give a hoot as long as you have the correct proof that you are a student, they just wanna sell the shit and move on to the next sale.
Steinberg in the UK have always been quite quiet in the public eye too they don't chase users for proof of license in the same way waves have been rampant about.
I think im safe in saying if they knocked on your door and you could show them a dongle they wouldn't care.

Back in the ol days when steinberg first released SX and Nuendo 2 with a USB dongle i got they VERY cheap as NFR's being in retail, i have since upgraded the licenses with standard steinberg upgrades without any problem and there is nothing to show that my original licenses were NFR,

In a nutshell chasing this kind of thing with users would cost them more money than they make from the software in the first place.

I thing it might be more likely your record company and Publishers might want to check your licenses before releasing and i cant see that happening either much.

I was working in the music retail area too around the same time as you for a big guitar shop in the UK.

We most definitely did require authentication from schools for educational purchases.

That said, it was basically a fax from a school. It wasn't exactly cutting edge security.

And dude, ahhh the NFRs. lol.

£50 plus VAT right, for Cubase SX2? I bought two of them. lol. What a bargain. That's the great thing of working in music shops selling music software. The distributors are very willing to give you full copies often for free or at least massively discounted prices.

 

[DigitalMetal]

Actually my copy of Cubase 5 Educational Edition says "Educational" in the dongle software license.

in which case im pretty sure the license arrangement has got a little bit more specific since my last dealings with them.

I was working in the music retail area too around the same time as you for a big guitar shop in the UK.

We most definitely did require authentication from schools for educational purchases.

That said, it was basically a fax from a school. It wasn't exactly cutting edge security.

And dude, ahhh the NFRs. lol.

£50 plus VAT right, for Cubase SX2? I bought two of them. lol. What a bargain. That's the great thing of working in music shops selling music software. The distributors are very willing to give you full copies often for free or at least massively discounted prices.

In my day I got Nuendo 1 for free when it was first released and SX and Nuendo 2 for £30 + VAT each, crazy cheap and kinda psychologically killed the value of software for me for several years because everything was so cheap, untill they bought out the Red NFR Dongle that had to be re-licensed every 90 days, still got it here somewhere, but its long timed out.

Anyway back to the original topic, Read the EULA for the EDU software see what it says (should be available online) after all its the EULA erms to which you are agreeing to.