Fireface

Ben Johnson

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So is the Fireface pretty much the best bang-for-your-buck converter?

A couple questions:

Is an audio card at all necessary with this unit, or is all I/O done completely within?

How are the mic pres?

Could the Fireface be perfectly capable of producing "professional" quality recordings?

What would be the "next step up" from the Fireface? Apogee? Lynx Aurora?
 
I am looking at this one too. Anyone with experience with it, definitely share!

Thanks!

Duke
 
Yes it is the best bang for your buck...does it produce professional quality - most definitely. An Apogee wouldn't necessarily be a step up, as the quality of converters are in the same range pretty much, however the Big Ben is a primo converter to have...the FireFace400 and 800 are really good deals though. They have made quite a name for themselves and just continually kill competition in their price range. The Octamic pres on both FireFace units are great, nothing wrong with them at all. The FireFace series does not require a sound card...it "is" the "sound card". It is a FireWire interface, you just plug up one single FW cable and you're set. The I/O is done within the interface, but using software that it comes with to digitally manage your routing options. Both units have 8 line outputs, and the other outputs vary between the two models. The 400 has two mic pres, the 800 has 4.

What you need to realize though is that you will need to get a seperate set of mic pres to go into either of the units...unless you only need two or four pres. Something like a Focusrite OctoPre with ADAT output, or PreSonus DigimaxFS with ADAT output would be ideal, giving you 8 channels of decent quality mic preamplification via ADAT optical connection. You could then use the 8 on the outboard unit, as well as the 2/4 pres on the 400/800 (respectively), totalling 10/12 channels of simultaneous I/O into your computer...again on one single FireWire400 cable.

~e.a
 
On a side note, I will be running a FireFace800 at the heart of my rig for my studio along with a pair of PreSonus DigimaxFS 8 channel preamps, both running ADAT out into the FireFace, giving me 20 total channels of simultaneous (and quality) I/O.

~e.a
 
Thanks for the info, elephant.

So a "vintage" pre with no ADAT wouldn't be ideal? I had a scheme cooking up where I'd get put together a bunch of API and Neve Seventh Circle Audio kits, hook them up to a 800 (or 400), and I'd be set for pretty much anything in the metal realm.
 
+1 on the Fireface 400....the quality of my recordings have gone through the roof since upgrading from a Delta 1010LT. I'm only currently in writing/pre-production mode and can tell the difference already on scratch tracks alone. Best investment I've made in a long time....err well....until I got my ESP Horizon...:)
 
I'm very happy with mine and the support is great.

I have two Octanes lightpiped into mine. They sync perfectly every time.

However, I do have a few minor unresolved issues with stuttering playback in WMP and Sound Forge. I've been working with US Support to get this resolved. However, I consider it minor since it does NOT occur in Sonar.

I also know someone else on this forum having serious rebooting issues with their recently purchased FF800.
 
Ben Johnson said:
So is the Fireface pretty much the best bang-for-your-buck converter?
Yes
Is an audio card at all necessary with this unit, or is all I/O done completely within?
No other audio card needed.
How are the mic pres?
Excellent.
Could the Fireface be perfectly capable of producing "professional" quality recordings?
Yes
What would be the "next step up" from the Fireface? Apogee? Lynx Aurora?
Nothing... :)
 
I have thought about getting this unit too, but i do not trust firewire for some reason, so I have also thought about Motu 2408mk3 with PCI-e. Is this a unit that is just as good sounding as Fireface? Any (dis?)advantages?
 
I love my 800, but as MKS said, I am having some serious rebooting issues due to the Fireface. I think I may have sorted it out though.. that's the only complaint I have with mine, which I'm thinking may be more of a compatibility problem w/my computer rather than the actual unit itself.

But, Support is great and the unit itself is awesome.
 
Had a few configuration issues and conflicts with my FF400 and US-2400 at first, but they were sorted within a couple of days and my FF400's been rock-solid ever since.

I also like the fact that now I don't have to deal with any sort of passive volume control or mixer to manage the volume levels of my active monitors, and still have a hardware knob to use to do so.
 
Brett - K A L I S I A said:
Tried different drivers or flash ?

Both, yes.. I've flashed my unit to 2.47 (2.63 was not recommeded as some users reported problems with it due to the TCO support being added) and have tried various drivers, all to no avail. Finally though, I had an idea and went back and found the oldest driver on RME's site, installed ver. 2.53 and my system seems to be much more stable..

Keeping my fingers crossed.
 
I'm currently testing the 800 with RME ADI8-Pro vs Apogee AD16x
So far I would say the Apogee wins by a slight margin - mainly because of the built in limiter on the converters. The RMEs are bit harsher sounding but I haven't really listened that closely yet. From what i remember I heard more of the noise floor (say the in the background hhat on ride mic) on the RME then the Apogee. Maybe I can post some comparative samples later.
One advantage of the Fireface is the totalmix software and the fact that you can store configurations/presets then use the unit stand-alone. I'm thinking of pulling this unit out to use as an in-ear line mixer for my band on the road. You can set it up to give 5 separate stereo mixes. one rack unit, no hassle.
-b
 
With those specs, it almost seemed too good to be true, but now that I'm seeing how well you guys praise it...

I think the 800 has officially been added to my "must buy" list.:cool: