I agree Tali- V.H. is one of my alltime fav.s as well as some of whom youv'e mentioned . But i still think Pyramazes ability, maturity, & most of all - production is the best i've heard for early releases. I think those bands had 3-4 good songs on those cd.s and that was it. Both Pyramaze cd.s are solid from beg. to end. Cheers-Muz!