For those of you OLD enough and BRAVE enough

[ledmag13]

It seems there's a lot of deep water on this board lurking under the very trivial surface... yet somehow I'm not surprised. This is probably the most I've posted on one thread ever.

haha, yeah, in the past (yrs ago it seems) this place and the older version, had some pretty good and at times intellectual discussions.

The last few days is nearly the only postings ive done here since june of 2004.

 

[ledmag13]

14 dried grams?
I FUCKING SALUTE YOU YOU CRAZY SHIT!!!

My ex-wife, she did around 3 grams...at times i was waaaaaaaaaay out there...but i think, or it seems that i never lost my identity, and i new i was on shrooms...with salvia, i new not who i was, where i came from...what i did to be seeing these things that could not be real,,,but it was real, or at least thats what i thought while on the salvia...i was myself as i am now (32yrs), plus was also, at the same time 6yrs old, and 14 yrs old, and 20 yrs old and, and , and....all in teh same body and mind..but who am I. Tahts me, but who is me...that child is me, but who am I, if im that child, then who is the child...where did i come from, where am I going, where am I at, oh, yeah, (looking to the right) am where i lived at the age of 10, but (looking to the left) im also at the place my grandparents lived when i was 6....who are my grandparents? yeah, pretty wierd stuff...it got deeper and weirder, what an experience.

during the first couple tries of salvia, my sister actually documented what i said and done.

 

[TheDreamingMind]

Wow that's interesting man.. see.. that's what I'm thinking all the time, even before any tripping occurred. My most prevailant theory on it is that I've already lived my entire life and just keep experiencing it in different points, in which i remember the past before the point but have forgotten my future (almost like plotting random points on a sphere), but instead of living a life like a string it's more of a single multifaceted entity, and it is being.. as gibson might say "jacked into", from outside of spacetime. That leads me to the question who or what am I when I'm not being me? haha

 

[ZANEX]

ledmag, is that shit "salvia" legal. You know I've done everything under the sun except heroin. Have you heard of licking frog stomachs and smoking banana peels. Supposedely you can hallucinate from this.

 

[LM13]

ledmag, is that shit "salvia" legal. You know I've done everything under the sun except heroin. Have you heard of licking frog stomachs and smoking banana peels. Supposedely you can hallucinate from this.

YEs, its legal...everywhere but OZ and Denmark...In the USA, no age limit nothing. IMO, it should be illegal. The problem with illegalizing Salvia is this: To schedual a drug, plant, whatever, it has to be chemically similar to another schedualed substance...Salvia Divinorum is chemically unique.

Bannana peels do NOT work...The frog thing, I do believe there is a frog in africa or somewhere that releases a chemical for self preservation, and contains some form of hallucinagin..Although, i may be totally wrong on the frog thing.

Good pic of you and Ian BTW....plus, you have much more hair than the last time i saw you.

 

[LEDMAG13]

Wow that's interesting man.. see.. that's what I'm thinking all the time, even before any tripping occurred. My most prevailant theory on it is that I've already lived my entire life and just keep experiencing it in different points, in which i remember the past before the point but have forgotten my future (almost like plotting random points on a sphere), but instead of living a life like a string it's more of a single multifaceted entity, and it is being.. as gibson might say "jacked into", from outside of spacetime. That leads me to the question who or what am I when I'm not being me? haha

thats interesting, very much so.

ITs hard to make that match up with salvia WHILE your doing it. Afterwards, and your back to your sences, or normal sences i should say, its really something to think about.

I think salvia ATTACKS your memories, and adds to and takes away, plus combines other memeories all the same time....a true mind fuck really..

ALso, the ppl that i have exposed to salvia, they seem to always fall back to TV as their desciption for their trip.,,,either being sucked into the tube (of which, happened to me more than once on the stuff, and when you get sucked into the tube, you actraully see yourself stretching out and being sucked in, and the pain you THINK you feel as you actaully see your guts from the inside twisting and turning and strecthing along with your body.), and actually dealing with characters from films, or sitcoms, or they may say something like "man, it was like something youd see on TV, but more real". IMO, the tv comes into the picture due to the fact that in our "reality", the tube is the only place you can actaully see things so unreal, but but real at teh same time, so real, even when you dont know who you are, you beleiev what you see...you know, the salvia visions are even more far fatched and more real than anyting on TV...of course, on salvia your not even thinking of TV, all teh thought comes after your down.

 

[TheDreamingMind]

Yeah I get that, I think taking a trip is like being in love; you only fall in love when you're away from a person thinking about them, and the trips only really develop any profound significance when you are thinking about them in retrospect.
In my retrospect I've realized I watch way too much sci fi and cartoons. There's an episode of star trek I'm often jacking into on different substances called "Arena" where kirk makes gun powder out of dirt to kill this lizard creature. Damn thing is permanently stuck in my head.

 

[TheDreamingMind]

Bannana peels do NOT work...The frog thing, I do believe there is a frog in africa or somewhere that releases a chemical for self preservation, and contains some form of hallucinagin..Although, i may be totally wrong on the frog thing.

I thought this was pretty well known but - the common toad carries a venom containing 5-MeO-DMT (5-methoxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine) which is a tryptamine with a very similar chemical structure to DMT.

 

[lizard]

There's an episode of star trek I'm often jacking into on different substances called "Arena" where kirk makes gun powder out of dirt to kill this lizard creature. Damn thing is permanently stuck in my head.

haha
that is one of the better episodes.

 

[TheDreamingMind]

I'd trade them all for a hand phaser, or a good solid club.

 

[ZANEX]

Thanks for the info. Now, where does one find this Salvia Divinorum?

 

[En Vind Av Sorg]

Ledmag, just out of curiosity, did you ever have any Salvia experiences dealing with space travel, alien life forms, or anything of that sort? Myself and quite a few people who try it apparently experience these similar themes at times.

 

[En Vind Av Sorg]

Zanex- http://www.iamshaman.com

 

[LM13]

Ledmag, just out of curiosity, did you ever have any Salvia experiences dealing with space travel, alien life forms, or anything of that sort? Myself and quite a few people who try it apparently experience these similar themes at times.

No i havent, or if i have, i must have related it to something else in retrospect.

BUT, your right, ppl of whom I KNOW personally who has done the salvia, they haev mentioned alien type things...also, if you read ppls testamonies about their trips, it seems most ppl do experience the "alien" trip.

there was one trip i had: where i was lying down in my vision, and 4 to 5 ppl or things, or....were around me, they were fuzzy, couldnt really make them out, and they were all speaking to me at once, but it was very much giberish....were they aliens? I dont know..the shapes were standing over me in a circle, and a bright light, (like a dentist light or sugery table light) in the middle.

 

[LM13]

Yeah I get that, I think taking a trip is like being in love; you only fall in love when you're away from a person thinking about them, and the trips only really develop any profound significance when you are thinking about them in retrospect.
In my retrospect I've realized I watch way too much sci fi and cartoons. There's an episode of star trek I'm often jacking into on different substances called "Arena" where kirk makes gun powder out of dirt to kill this lizard creature. Damn thing is permanently stuck in my head.

it seems that for me, ONE TV show always pops up, and interact with the main character/actor of the show...

ON another note, sometimes several tv series seems to enter my visions, all at the same time, and the characters actually mingle with each other, and myself. IT seems to me, that the characters feel as though nothing is wrong, and they are confused at the fact that i dont think "we" should be in the precence of each other...I remember telling Micheal Landon (haha little hous eon the prarie) that he doesnt belong "here", he simply gives me a look of confusion, adn then goes back to mingleing with the other characters from other series lol....insane

 

[LM13]

Thanks for the info. Now, where does one find this Salvia Divinorum?

give me ring on the phone, if you like, we shall make plans on doing the stuff together....also, ill tell you were to get it on the phone. iTs very much legal, but the guy i get it from wants it to stay somewhat secret....i can get it within an hours drive from house...

you can get a bag of leaves for 3 dollars, tehn you you get the extract for ....the weakest 20 dollars, then 10x for 35 dollars, then 20 times for 50 dollars....not including TAX...To insure you dont waste your money, i say we get some, then FOLLOW the directions to the T....you must do it properly or you will only get a minor trip, or a a buzz....the trips only last from 10 to 15 minutes...but well worth the money...for 50 bucks you can trip randomly for HOURS...

 

[TheDreamingMind]

ON another note, sometimes several tv series seems to enter my visions, all at the same time, and the characters actually mingle with each other, and myself. IT seems to me, that the characters feel as though nothing is wrong, and they are confused at the fact that i dont think "we" should be in the precence of each other

That reminds me of an experience I had, not TV shows but related to these scenario situations. I ended up in a room with some kids from my primary school (not sure what the american equivilent is, what's between kindergarden and high school?) who I hadnt seen since my departure. I told them it was good to see them after so long but they were confused and believed I hadnt been gone at all, and they didnt see me as a grown man. It's almost like they developed a pure existence in my mind, in which they embodied only the parameters i could remember about them. Perhaps the way we remember people is somewhat 2 dimensional, like a lot of character roles in popular fiction, and when they are manifest they leave something to be desired as they lack certain characteristics that would make them more interactive.

 

[ledmag13]

That reminds me of an experience I had, not TV shows but related to these scenario situations. I ended up in a room with some kids from my primary school (not sure what the american equivilent is, what's between kindergarden and high school?) who I hadnt seen since my departure. I told them it was good to see them after so long but they were confused and believed I hadnt been gone at all, and they didnt see me as a grown man. It's almost like they developed a pure existence in my mind, in which they embodied only the parameters i could remember about them. Perhaps the way we remember people is somewhat 2 dimensional, like a lot of character roles in popular fiction, and when they are manifest they leave something to be desired as they lack certain characteristics that would make them more interactive.

I can relate to that...the TV series thing that i get in my visions, the series are ones that i would watch as a child with my parents and or grandparents, and at the ealy ages of childhood, the characters are real in your mind..but in my visions dealing with these character images, i am all ages at once...and the chracters still seem as real as when i was a child. very strange.

kinda like, i remember one western movie my dad watched with me, the main character got killed, then later (days? weeks? months?) my fatehr and I watched some other film with the same actor, i remember vaguely telling my father something like "dad, he got killed in that other movie" . lol

 

[LM13]

That reminds me of an experience I had, not TV shows but related to these scenario situations. I ended up in a room with some kids from my primary school (not sure what the american equivilent is, what's between kindergarden and high school?) who I hadnt seen since my departure. I told them it was good to see them after so long but they were confused and believed I hadnt been gone at all, and they didnt see me as a grown man. It's almost like they developed a pure existence in my mind, in which they embodied only the parameters i could remember about them. Perhaps the way we remember people is somewhat 2 dimensional, like a lot of character roles in popular fiction, and when they are manifest they leave something to be desired as they lack certain characteristics that would make them more interactive.

Damnit, i wrote a whole essay, and it didnt post....ill haev to rethink and repost later

SHIT!!! this happened yesterday as well.

 

[Chromatose]

yeah ledmeg, while you were gone, the UM server became shittier than ever!

and all the while there were promises of how fantastic it will be running!, and then it keeps getting worse.

although its still a step up from where it was