Fuck you Californians!

The governor's action was denounced by Randy Thomasson, president of saveCalifornia.com.

"This virtual legalization of marijuana definitely sends the wrong message to teenagers and young adults," Thomasson said. "It invites youth to become addicted to mind-altering pot because there's not much hassle and no public stigma and no rehab if they're caught."

:rolleyes:
 
Almost makes no sense to introduce this law unless he was certain that prop 19 won't pass, becuase when prop 19 does pass, it would render the law useless.
 
Basically to stop people from going to jail asap for small possession ......Cali prison's are over crowded and to put someone in jail because they possess marijuana is just ridiculous ....enough already........The alcohol industry are putting 100's of 1000's of dollars to fight the legalization of MArijuana . They are the real enemy .

Marijuana is not mind altering. That is an untruth. You retain all your faculties and retain your ability calculate risk unlike alcohol.
 
Yeah, I really don't think prop 19 will pass.


Even if it does, all the FDA has to do is look at the papers anyone registers as a marijuana retailer to find them guilty of a federal crime.
 
That's the biggest problem. Any state can pass whatever they want. However, Federal Law trumps it every time.
 
Even if prop 19 doesn't pass, this is still a monumental leap forward by making simple possession just a small fine. Lets hope other states and the feds realize that prohibition doesn't work, pot is safe, and just bring us one step closer to giving an even bigger middle finger to the pharma companies. This is a very positive step in this very long and drawn out fight that makes absolutely no fucking sense.
 
Whether it passes or not, it will change precisely NOTHING.

People will continue to light up whether it's illegal, decriminalised, legal or whatever status the Government decides to give it.
Cannabis has been used for thousands of years for a multitude of reasons and that isn't about to change.

Having said that, it's cool that California is taking a step in the right direction.
The day when I can waltz into a store and buy an 8th of some good chronic for my smoking pleasure, without having to piss about with shady back alley dealings and moronic dealers will be a damn good one.
 
Doesn't really mean that much but they did a recent poll here are the results Proposition 19, California's "tax and regulate" marijuana legalization initiative, is winning, according to the latest poll results. A Public Policy Institute of California poll released Thursday had support for Prop 19 at 52%, with 41% opposed and 7% undecided.

and the article
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/2010/sep/30/prop_19_52_latest_poll_californi
 
That's the biggest problem. Any state can pass whatever they want. However, Federal Law trumps it every time.

The states collectively have more power than the federal government for this very reason. While the feds can still enforce their laws, however, if all the states are banned together against the feds, they can either fight it or change their laws. Right now their is a large internal fight happening in the senate about the legalization because a large portion support the legalization for numerous reasons, both socially and economically. Even so, if California legalizes it, it becomes quite hard for the feds to arrest every single offender in the state.

But something tells me that our federal government won't give a rats ass when they are raking in billions upon billions from RJ Reynolds from the production and selling of marijuana/tobacco blend cigarettes.

Prop 19 won't pass, too many forces are against it, from the "establishment" to the cartels

Currently in the list of supporters, most of our state officials support and endorse legalization. A few of those in opposition are religious "red scare" era old farts that believe "minds altering" substances are bad for society and you guessed it, some, keyword some sherrifs departments (although alot of them support legalization as well). And the only pro , marijuana people that I know that are not supporting legalizations re the growers, dealers and mass users who want to grow their own and aren't happy with the conditions. Because legalization and being able to buy it at the store for $7 a gram (a whole gram, not a .8) isn't good enough, you want to grow and sell it, so you would rather it still illegal. Its just stupid.

Still only a month away from voting and the polls are still showing that the majority still supports legalization, we will have to see how things turn out.
 
I don't know about $8 per gram...its going to have a shitload of taxes if legalized plus you have the other costs the selling companies will pass on (marketing, etc). I am guessing a pack will cost more than cigs--just because they can charge more for it
 
^ You live there dude....What do you think will personally happen?


And also keep us posted, i only find stuff out from what i read

I'm not sure what will happen. As of recently we have had a lot of "information" go mainstream that was untrue that has been scaring people. A lot of users (not growers) believe that they cannot grow their own marijuana unless you get the license, which you can only at maximum grow in an area of 25 sq ft. The truth is, if these people where sober when they read the bill, would find that anyone can possess up to an ounce and grow up to 25 sq ft of marijuana without a license, and if they wish to grow more or sell it, they need to get a license which will set you back 3 large plus a renewal of $1,000 every year. Also another piece of incorrect information is that prop 19 does not regulate marijuana like it does alcohol even though they should be treated the same. They argue this because of my first point, they believe that you cannot grow ANY marijuana on your own without the license, but argue that you can make your own alcohol. Truth be told, you cannot distill alcohol without a license either for numerous reasons, including safety and to reduce the number of small operations sales for alcohol, because well, the state is trying to regulate alcohol (OMG thats a shocker!!!). The other big issue that has gotten tangled up is that some are claiming that prop 19 says nothing about medical marijuana users and that the bill completely fucks them over. While the bill doesn't speak much of ol' AB 420, prop 19 does say that all laws and regulations involving medical cannabis are left unaffected and all the laws for medical patients wills till apply. The only real thing that will change for them is how their dispensaries do business.

The only real huge issue with the proposition is the fact that it states nothing about revenue allocations to the state, and some will argue that the state can throw that money anywhere they want. Now while I highly agree with that being changed, there are a lot of people changing their minds because they want the majority of the revenue from legalizing marijuana to go to schools and communities and some other things that are left up to debate. The whole issue as to our state not spending its money wisely is a whole other issue in itself and should not be reflected on prop 19 by any means.

Its not that people don't support legalization, they just are loosing faith in the proposition. Mostly because the information they are getting from it is either outdated from when it was an assembly bill, which back then was completely full of flaws, the same flaws people are complaining about the proposition having which they fixed when it went to the voting ballots, or they are giving into the opposing sides propaganda, which is always a given, its just with the propaganda using outdated or false information, it really sends the wrong messages and just shows that the battle on the opposing side just have a very biased agenda that does not reflect society whatsoever.


I don't know about $8 per gram...its going to have a shitload of taxes if legalized plus you have the other costs the selling companies will pass on (marketing, etc). I am guessing a pack will cost more than cigs--just because they can charge more for it

Around here a dime goes for $10, with supply and demand and the abundance of marijuana that would be in circulation would drive the prices to an estimated 3-4 dollars before taxes which would be around 6-7 dollars per gram if you calculate the $50 per once tax plus standard tax.
 
My issue with the bill is that it's fucking horribly written/worded - really is just unclear and incomplete in a lot of sections, and that will ultimately be why it will fail in November, in my opinion.

If it randomly happens to pass (and really, we couldn't even prevent Prop 8 from passing, not sure how people expect this one to go through just 2 years later), it will be yet another reason why direct democracy is a fucking terrible practice and is the number one reason why California is the next Greece.


And on the topic of AB 420 - medical marijuana is complete bullshit. That entire system is a sham, and the concept is retarded to begin with. What other prescription drug allows the user to define his dosage?


Still only a month away from voting and the polls are still showing that the majority still supports legalization, we will have to see how things turn out.

Would just like to point out that this isn't very accurate as soon as you look at more than 2-3 polls and account for margin of error - at this point it's about as close as Prop 8 was, which means everyone's going to claim they're winning.
 
And on the topic of AB 420 - medical marijuana is complete bullshit. That entire system is a sham, and the concept is retarded to begin with. What other prescription drug allows the user to define his dosage?

What you're saying makes sense, but marijuana is a ridiculously finicky drug when it comes to how it effects people.
It's not like paracetamol where for probably almost everyone it's a case of take 2 pills and bamwhammo, you're headache is gone, and perhaps take one more but it wont do jack shit

With pot (I recall you said you don't use it, right?), it's almost an art form trying to get that right amount in your system.
The difference between 2 and 3 hits of a bong can be quite staggering for some people and ultimately there is no doctor in the world that could suggest a well defined dosage, because it truly does vary a hell of a lot from person to person, so I don't think it's so unreasonable that the user figures out the dosage themselves depending on their ailment/s.
You could argue the same thing for analgesics, but unlike Paracetamol, NSAIDs and opioids, there is no risk of accidental overdose trying to figure out a good dosage level.
At worst, you'll just pass out and wake up many hours later wondering what the hell happened.