FUCK

BTW, you know who should be paying this money?


Why should successful businessmen/politicians pay for clods who have no understanding of finance? Nobody should be forced to pay for their neighbor's mistakes, no matter how well off they are.


Let these people go homeless!!!! Erect shanty towns if ye must. :mad:
 
Why should successful businessmen/politicians pay for clods who have no understanding of finance? Nobody should be forced to pay for their neighbor's mistakes, no matter how well off they are.


Let these people go homeless!!!! Erect shanty towns if ye must. :mad:

I feel that these people, whom are currently in control as to whether we, as a nation are going to go into even more debt, than we already are, should take some of the financial responsibility onto their own shoulders, as they are a responsible for the events at hand. They could have made the decisions to prevent this and instead opted for the usual partisan bickering which led to nothing. Hereby, I would hold accountable all of these people who make our decisions for us to be held responsible and instead of using our futures money to bail these cocaine business cocksuckers out of their own fuck ups (a group of people on their own who should be placed in prison for life), to be solely responsible to help fix the problems with resources of their own. The federal surplus is not their resource to deal with at their whim. It is OUR, as the American people to have some sort of hope to a financial security for our lives. The amount of dipping into this surplus done by these fucking wastes of space is insurmountable. "Hey, let's give our selves a raise!" "OK!"

And now we have these assholes making this decision for us. What do they say is the choice in this decision. If we do give away this money to bail out these fucking cocksuckers, we end up fucking our future even more, but atleast it's a temporary fix, and they won't have to worry about it since they'll be long and dead. However, people like me and you, if we don't die in a fire or something similar, will be fucked in the future. If we don't, we end up fucking wall street even harder, the mortgage loans and housing market going to shit, the libor rate goes farther up, employers require more money of their own to live, people start losing their houses and their jobs (except for the people in senate and the HOR, of course), and we enter another massive depression.

How realistic are these arguments? Most likely Biden-Level exaggerated, but could be possible.

In the end, no matter who is affected, I feel if anything should be done with the surplus for any reasons (be it something like this, or a raise for our representatives) it should go under a nationwide vote, and not be left in the hands of people whom will either benefit or feel no effect from it.

Every vote counted, none of this electoral college bullshitery.

Or they can fix their own problems and try to leave us, the ones without the decisions, out of the fallout.
 
we need to bring back Gaius Iulius Caesar.


He subjugated the barbarians, took down the aristocrats, gave back to the common people of Rome, and fucked Cleopatra in the cunt.


I'd vote for him.
 
I'd vote for him if he let her blow me. Well, I'd vote for him anyway. But that would surely help!
 
EricT seems like a person who's painfully new to the US political system and is only finding out about how disgusting it is now.
 
Right now they're deliberating on just how much the dismissed CEOs will get in severence packages. Not whether they're going to prison...but how many millions they get.
 
*cue "solution" speeches from both candidates*

I hope everyone realizes that we are financially fucked regardless of who gets elected next. Neither of the candidates will be able to fix this mess any time soon.
 
I hope everyone realizes that we are financially fucked regardless of who gets elected next. Neither of the candidates will be able to fix this mess any time soon.

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I always find it amazing how fired up people get over this stuff. The candidates are ALL tied to some douchebags that have hosed people for their own good. They're all tied to people that support them for their own gain. Either way we're going to be hosed for a while. Unless, of course, we go with Ross Perot or Jesse Ventura. :heh:
 
i don't think the gov't has a solution with this bailout ... they had to say they did to calm everyone down.
there is no freaking way they got it all figured out in less than a week.
 
EricT seems like a person who's painfully new to the US political system and is only finding out about how disgusting it is now.

I'm not "new" to the political system, I'm just someone who's getting kinda fed up with the way of the whole political system. It's gotten significantly worse in the last 10 years that I've been paying attention to it, and I look at living costs elsewhere weekly.
 
I think this picture says everything best...

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yeah, these 2 fools got pretty much shot down across the board. Our Constitution is "still" safe.
 
Worthy article that basically sums up how blown out of proportion this bail out is.


What’s a principled conservative to think of the Bush administration’s proposed $700 billion authority to allow the U.S. Treasury buy illiquid securities? On the one hand it would appear to be a necessary step to solve a systemic crisis in the U.S. banking system. On the other, it promises to be an enormous expansion of government power and commitment of taxpayer dollars.

To arrive at a principled view on this intervention, we must answer three critical questions: Is it necessary? Will it work? And even then, is it morally justifiable?

Unfortunately, we are thwarted at the outset. There’s simply no objective way to know whether the banking system is as close to disaster as top officials at the Treasury and Federal Reserve claim. They themselves don’t really know. This is a “banking crisis,” they say. But then again, other politicians claim there is a “health care crisis,” an “immigration crisis,” an “energy crisis,” and so on.

There’s no doubt that there is serious turmoil in the banking system and financial markets. But that doesn’t mean the proposed extraordinary intervention by the government in private markets is justified, considering that throughout history we have periodically gone through convulsions worse than today’s and survived them without such interventions.

According to the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation there have been 15 bank failures in the U.S. between 2007 and today. We had thousands over a few years in the late 1980s and early 1990s. Since the stock market hit an all-time high last October, the S&P 500 has fallen 23 percent. It fell more than twice that — 49 percent — during the last bear market, between March 2000 to October 2002.

Even if you grant that this really is a “crisis,” and that it justifies an extraordinary intervention, there can be no doubt that the $700 billion authority being sought for the purchase of distressed mortgage-related securities is far too great an amount. Of the $1.26 trillion in non-prime mortgages — that is, “sub-prime” and “Alt-A” mortgages — $743 billion is already either owned or guaranteed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, companies that were shored up by a government rescue earlier this month. That leaves $521 billion, which means the Treasury’s $700 billion would be more than enough to buy them all. And that’s even if the Treasury paid full value. In fact, the Treasury will get a steep discount, considering that many of the mortgages in question are in delinquency or default. Does the Treasury really have to buy every single non-prime mortgage — even the healthy ones — twice over?

And if the Treasury’s authority were scaled down to something more in proportion to the size of the asset market it claims to address — say $350 billion — must that authority be granted all those dollars at once? Couldn’t we start with $100 billion and see how it goes, and go back later for more if necessary?

In order to restore confidence in these shaky markets, there’s no doubt the administration would claim that its commitment must be both large and irrevocable. But considering the enormous powers being vested in the discretion of a single unelected official — the Treasury secretary — markets may also find solace in the idea that there will be an accountable process for learning from mistakes and making appropriate corrections.

Which brings us to the next question: Will it work?

Nobody knows. On the face of it, it is plausible that the banking system could be reinvigorated by having unwanted assets taken off its books. With those assets gone, and replaced by government cash, banks could stop worrying about the bad decisions of the past and get back to the business of financing investment and consumption in the American economy.

Yet there is ample room for doubt. The officials advocating this — Henry Paulson and Ben Bernanke — are the same ones who, in similar haste, engineered interventions this year in the collapses of Bear Stearns, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and American International Group. With each intervention the banking crisis has gotten progressively more severe. Experts differ on this, but it is my professional judgment that these interventions actually made matters worse, because of the unintended consequences that were nearly impossible to forecast at the moment of decision. We simply cannot know what unintended consequences might be unleashed in the process of a massive acquisition of mortgage assets by the federal government.

And it is a false comfort to compare the proposed $700 billion purchase authority to the Resolution Trust Corporation, the government program of the early 1990s that was created in the aftermath of the savings-and-loan crisis. The RTC was quite successful in managing the assets of insolvent banks and thrifts, and the administration’s current proposal bears little resemblance to it.

The present proposal is primarily about the government acquisition of unwanted assets from solvent banks. The RTC acquired its assets automatically when thousands of banks and thrifts became insolvent and fell under receivership by the FDIC and the Federal Savings and Loan Insurance Corporation. There were no troubling ethical questions about which assets would be acquired, from whom, in what priority order, and, most critically, at what price. All the RTC had to worry about was eventually selling the assets it already had.

And assuming that it is necessary, and assuming that it is likely to work, is this epoch-making intervention in private markets morally justifiable? Die-hard conservatives — especially deficit-hawks and free-market libertarians — would say no. But some mitigating circumstances should be considered.

It seems at first blush that spending $700 billion to buy mortgage-related securities would be a budget buster. But remember, this is not government “spending.” It is government “investment.” The Treasury would issue bonds, pay a low interest rate on those bonds, and use the proceeds to buy mortgage-related bonds that pay a high interest rate and can probably be sold at a profit in the future.

It also seems at first blush that the government ought to not bail out banks that made terrible investments they now regret. But remember, many of these bad investments were the result of government meddling. Would we be experiencing a sharp housing downturn, and a wave of mortgage defaults, if the Federal Reserve had not created a housing bubble and a mortgage bubble in the first place by artificially lowering interest rates to 1 percent in 2003 and 2004? And how much was the housing bubble inflated by the highly leveraged mortgage buying spree of government-sponsored and government-influenced Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac? Shouldn’t the government shoulder some responsibility for its own mistakes?

As the week goes on, and as more details become known about the form the intervention legislation will take, it could be that the principled conservative who supports the administration’s plan today will find that he must ultimately oppose it. It’s hard to object to calls by Democrats for more oversight and accountability. But the Democrats are threatening to poison the legislation as they attempt to grab equity stakes from, and control executive compensation at, the companies that would sell securities to the Treasury under the program. And they are larding the program with pork to further subsidize the already heavily subsidized housing industry, turning some of what should be government investment into government spending.

In the end, each principled conservative will have to use his or her own judgment to weigh the imponderables here and come to a conclusion, yeah or nay. As of this writing, I’m inclined to support the administration’s proposal, although I wish it could be made smaller, at least at the outset.

One thing I know for sure: While the administration and Congress wrangle over the details, markets will continue to flail. It’s going to be a rocky week. Let’s hope it has a happy ending.


Ron Paul's take :kickass:
 
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I have zero interest in paying one single dime for this fiasco, the war on terror, the war on drugs, or any other utter failure that has nothing to do with me. I saved up 20% for a downpayment, bought a modest house and work two jobs. Fuck these people who can't pay their mortgages and fuck these assholes who run the companies that forked over the money. They can all go to hell and I don't care if they take the entire economy down the toilet with them.