Hell Mike
fuck melodic black metal
First of all, quotes please, and state who said exactly what.IOfTheStorm said:
Second, do you know how well they knew him?
Third, do you think he lived and died as he did because it was a great joke from his side?
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Second, do you know how well they knew him?
Third, do you think he lived and died as he did because it was a great joke from his side?
I hope after all these, you realized that it is just MUSIC. You even admitted that there is a possibility that noone is serious about the satanism and ideology thing. HOW CAN THIS BE THAT IMPORTANT TO MUSIC? HOW IT CAN ALTER IT? MUSIC IS MUSIC AND IS FAR FROM ANY IDEOLOGY. ITS IMPORTANCE IS THE FEELING THAT DELIVERS, THE EMOTIONS AND THE SOUND. NOT THE TEENAGE WET SATANIC DREAMS OF SOME THAT AFTER 5 YEARS LAUGH AT THEM
Erik
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Read your back catalogue of posts in this thread and honestly say you're being reasonable. Or alternative, GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE ALREADY.symposium_lexotanil said:
do you know the reason of his fight with Vikernes that lead to his murder?fotmbm said:
DO YOU?
DO YOU KNOW IT WAS ABOUT MONEY?
Fuck. You live in a dream.
Vikernes on the other hand was a greater retard than Euronymous. His interview is the epitome of modern metal humor.
GoodErik said:you use caps. Black metal is Satanic, stick to Manowar.
I am glad that your reply was all about caps and Manowar. If i quoted all your "full of caps" posts, then most posts have no substance?
Hell Mike
fuck melodic black metal
I know as much as most people I suppose, but I haven't asked Varg himself who is the ONLY person who knows half of it. I am very well aware of the fact that Euronymous got tired of starving from being underground after six years or so and tried to start making money and bla bla bla. Is that what this discussion is about?IOfTheStorm said:
No
This discussion is about "forget the ideology crap because it was a trick some people used, and listen to the MUSIC"
This discussion is about "forget the ideology crap because it was a trick some people used, and listen to the MUSIC"
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Erik said:
from the beginning i tried to make you realise that it's ABSURD to think immortal as a non-blackmetal band.when attacked and mocked i reacted.
naah,go on live your blackmetal teenage dream.i think i'll choose to GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE ALREADY.
Btw again people who KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON AND LIVED THESE YEARS (the inner circle -church burning things) say the WORSE about these 2 (Euro and Vikernes). And about they only cared for money.
Hell Mike
fuck melodic black metal
Well, I never knew Euronymous because I was a bit too young at that time so I can certainly not speak for him, but I am 100% CERTAIN that there is music today, black metal, other kinds of extreme metal and non-metal music where ideology DOES matter.IOfTheStorm said:
YesErik said:
you are right and i am wrong
And dont tell me about "accepted definition of black metal" because if you ask the majority of metalheads (black metal fans too) "what Immortal play?" they will simply answer "Black Metal". For 10 years now. The same will go for Enslaved too.
The originators of the genre probably laugh with joy from all these because they were selling ideology more than music and they succeeded.
Hell Mike
fuck melodic black metal
In the beginning you sold the Merciless album at pretty low price, and aimed to sell it only in the underground. You must've known that you're going to lose money, but did you manage to stick to your principles? On the other hand, don't you think that the bands deserve better distribution? Is it just a case of you not wanting to be commercial, etc.?
Euronymous: "You are mentioning some topics which have been subjects of intense thinking here. There is obviously an antagonism between being 'underground' in the common sense of the word, and the original black metal ideas. If you start to look at how black metal bands were in the ancient days, such as Venom, Mercyful Fate, Hellhammer, Bathory, Destruction, Sodom, etc., you see that they had nothing to do with what is called 'underground'. They were signed to big labels, they earned well-deserved money and were NOT submitted to the hardcore-laws which are ruling the 'underground' today. These laws say that you are not allowed to play death or black metal (!) if you don't: (1) hate money and refuse to earn anything on what you've paid enormous amounts of blood, sweat, money and time for. (2) Are 'openminded' and have lots of 'attitudes', like being vegetarian, being into peace and love (Fuck off! War and Sodomy!), singing about pollution and other society lyrics or other things that are approved by the moral police (HC pigs). (3) You must absolutely not think that you ARE anything. You must creep for your fans ('Oh, do you really like us? Thank you', etc.), you must use most of your life answering thousands of letters or you are being called a ripoff, nobody of course thinks about the fact that it costs a band maybe $25 EACH day just for postage! These people obviously have never tried living on their own and feeling the PAIN of not being able to EAT because you use all your money on postage. "There are other moral laws too but I get too angry when thinking about this. The black metal bands of ancient times didn't have to think about any of these shitty things, they could go for being BIG, having a huge stage show and earning big money. And nothing was wrong with that. Now, WE have been servants of the 'underground' for 8 years. Where do we stand today? We have NO money, sometimes not enough to eat. Our equipment is fucked up, shit, or non-existent. We don't have proper places to live. This would be no problem if it had been a GAIN for the TRUE SCENE, but take a look at which people we have been slaves for: the underground today consists of short-haired children or trendies with white clothes and jogging suits, HC-moral-police-pigs, and a VERY small percentage of TRUE people. "All these 'underground' rules look great at first sight - the music becomes a protest towards the commercial music industry. This is good of course. But on the other hand - they KILL the bands. After 8 years of being broke, I'm starting to become quite fed up. Why shouldn't I live on the music? Basically I have the choice between two things - staying 'underground' and slowly taking the life of the band - in the end I'd have to quit and get myself a job, the band/label is a full-time job so I couldn't do both. The other thing is to say FUCK OFF to most of the 'underground' principles and start to EARN MONEY. Then, I'd be able to make more music with the band, and release tons of great records with great bands. This is of course a much better gain for the true scene. This is why I've now decided to do things a little bigger. Still I hate to see big distributors getting their hands on the records, but I simply don't have a choice. I've never wanted to expose this music to trend people, but I realise that I'm dependent on sucking money from them in order to make a decent living. And I have NO bad feelings about taking the money of trendies. This would also help the bands getting the money they deserve, maybe a few of them can even quit their jobs and start living on the music." "Of course there are limits, I HATE to see Earache bands with videos on MTV, and I was DISGUSTED to see Entombed playing a playback show for discokids on a disco show on Swedish TV. These people shall FEAR this music. We must return to the old days of Venom and the other ancient ones. They were big, but they were NOT commercial! Their music is still ten times more gruesome than all the Morrisound/Sunlight trend recordings of today. Another view - if we don't do DSP much bigger, someone else will make a black metal label which will start selling good, and what happens then? We sit here, broke and without bands. That shall not happen. Everything may very well be big, but the TRUE ONES must control it.
Euronymous: "You are mentioning some topics which have been subjects of intense thinking here. There is obviously an antagonism between being 'underground' in the common sense of the word, and the original black metal ideas. If you start to look at how black metal bands were in the ancient days, such as Venom, Mercyful Fate, Hellhammer, Bathory, Destruction, Sodom, etc., you see that they had nothing to do with what is called 'underground'. They were signed to big labels, they earned well-deserved money and were NOT submitted to the hardcore-laws which are ruling the 'underground' today. These laws say that you are not allowed to play death or black metal (!) if you don't: (1) hate money and refuse to earn anything on what you've paid enormous amounts of blood, sweat, money and time for. (2) Are 'openminded' and have lots of 'attitudes', like being vegetarian, being into peace and love (Fuck off! War and Sodomy!), singing about pollution and other society lyrics or other things that are approved by the moral police (HC pigs). (3) You must absolutely not think that you ARE anything. You must creep for your fans ('Oh, do you really like us? Thank you', etc.), you must use most of your life answering thousands of letters or you are being called a ripoff, nobody of course thinks about the fact that it costs a band maybe $25 EACH day just for postage! These people obviously have never tried living on their own and feeling the PAIN of not being able to EAT because you use all your money on postage. "There are other moral laws too but I get too angry when thinking about this. The black metal bands of ancient times didn't have to think about any of these shitty things, they could go for being BIG, having a huge stage show and earning big money. And nothing was wrong with that. Now, WE have been servants of the 'underground' for 8 years. Where do we stand today? We have NO money, sometimes not enough to eat. Our equipment is fucked up, shit, or non-existent. We don't have proper places to live. This would be no problem if it had been a GAIN for the TRUE SCENE, but take a look at which people we have been slaves for: the underground today consists of short-haired children or trendies with white clothes and jogging suits, HC-moral-police-pigs, and a VERY small percentage of TRUE people. "All these 'underground' rules look great at first sight - the music becomes a protest towards the commercial music industry. This is good of course. But on the other hand - they KILL the bands. After 8 years of being broke, I'm starting to become quite fed up. Why shouldn't I live on the music? Basically I have the choice between two things - staying 'underground' and slowly taking the life of the band - in the end I'd have to quit and get myself a job, the band/label is a full-time job so I couldn't do both. The other thing is to say FUCK OFF to most of the 'underground' principles and start to EARN MONEY. Then, I'd be able to make more music with the band, and release tons of great records with great bands. This is of course a much better gain for the true scene. This is why I've now decided to do things a little bigger. Still I hate to see big distributors getting their hands on the records, but I simply don't have a choice. I've never wanted to expose this music to trend people, but I realise that I'm dependent on sucking money from them in order to make a decent living. And I have NO bad feelings about taking the money of trendies. This would also help the bands getting the money they deserve, maybe a few of them can even quit their jobs and start living on the music." "Of course there are limits, I HATE to see Earache bands with videos on MTV, and I was DISGUSTED to see Entombed playing a playback show for discokids on a disco show on Swedish TV. These people shall FEAR this music. We must return to the old days of Venom and the other ancient ones. They were big, but they were NOT commercial! Their music is still ten times more gruesome than all the Morrisound/Sunlight trend recordings of today. Another view - if we don't do DSP much bigger, someone else will make a black metal label which will start selling good, and what happens then? We sit here, broke and without bands. That shall not happen. Everything may very well be big, but the TRUE ONES must control it.
No. They just dont buy the ideology crap.
fotbm: Entombed are much more "true" than Euronymous.
fotbm: Entombed are much more "true" than Euronymous.
Henrik Main
Hello
Their latest albums is a mix of Venom, Motorhead with a huge doze of Black Sabbath. They probably kick the butt of lots of black metal sissies. MUSIC that doesnt need "ideology" for backing it. Yes that is true. When you depend only in your music and not in the ideological shit you might think of - you are TRUEHenrik Main said:
Hell Mike
fuck melodic black metal
Yes. Satyr wanted to earn some money too and you mock him. AT LEAST he did not tried to earn money by selling ideas he didnt really believe in them. How "TRUE" is the last part?
Hell Mike
fuck melodic black metal
I mock Satyr because I think he is a sellout moron, what he has done is very very different from what Euronymous did, and I still haven't seen one thing that could prove Euro was just joking with me all along.
Good, and i think that Euronymous was worse than a sellout moron. I have read many interviews about Euronymous (before Internet existed, you know?), and i dont simply imagining things, dont worry. I am too tired of all these. I hope (and i know) that one day you will realize that the "black metal ideology" thing is just a pile of shit. Cheers
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