Gclip question

[3holeface]

Just wondering if I’m using Gclip properly because I cant seem to get close to -8db RMS. I really don’t need to be that loud but defiantly want to make sure that I’m using this clipper the right way. Here is a picture of how I have it set up as per Steven Slates recommendation.

Eq>Gclip>Gclip>elephant.

How low are you dropping the threshold for clipping?
Should I be clipping more on the first or second Gclip?
Is anyone using the smooth setting?

Thanks for any help
-T

 

[seditz740novaprospect]

i use it

eq
comp
g clip
limiter
gclip
limiter
dither

usually around -8 to -9 db rms with no gain reduction on the first limiter and -2 at most on the second limiter....i

 

[joeymusicguy]

why g clip twice

 

[seditz740novaprospect]

why g clip twice

i just tame the transients with it in 2 stages pre limiter in both i think it keeps the snare cutting that way and not lost or buried....

 

[3holeface]

why g clip twice

Slate mentioned that in the "getting your loudness" thread, apparently it is better to use two with light settings than one with heavy settings.

Love your work Joey, the new Woe of the Tyrants Cd shreds!

 

[The-Zeronaut]

can anybody explain better the slate´s Gclip+Gclip+elephant trick?

 

[3holeface]

can anybody explain better the slate´s Gclip+Gclip+elephant trick?

read the above article "getting your loudness" it explains. I'm just a little confused as to how much clipping should be goin on. I try and keep the threshold just clipping on the snare but cant seem to get the loudness Slate is talking about so there must be something I'm doing wrong.

 

[smy1]

Don't clip at all. Can't at least the folks who are "in-the-know" like us up-and-coming-producers try to get their loudness to -12/-11 RMS without clipping and limiting the fuck out of everything?

I mean, proper EQing, track compression and frequency selection should get you there with almost no limiting. After the Death Magnetic and The Blackening disasters people should really try and get SOME semblance of dynamics back into music ... and surely -11 RMS is not too soft, is it?

 

[seditz740novaprospect]

Don't clip at all. Can't at least the folks who are "in-the-know" like us up-and-coming-producers try to get their loudness to -12/-11 RMS without clipping and limiting the fuck out of everything?

I mean, proper EQing, track compression and frequency selection should get you there with almost no limiting. After the Death Magnetic and The Blackening disasters people should really try and get SOME semblance of dynamics back into music ... and surely -11 RMS is not too soft, is it?

avg is about -9.0 from what i have seen overall in many major genres of music. Compared to alot of new albums that can still be soft , still retains some dynamics without the bricks of love going on, i see alot louder than -9 in tons of cases and not really distorting all over the place...

i learned to live with cranking mixes to death, every time i have a really nice mix with a good bit of dynamics left its not as loud as whomever, then doing recalls for a rms of say -11 or -10 to make it -8 to -9 to make the client happy. That's what counts the most to me ... i have mastered too many albums where the artists or A&R reps wants it louder and doesnt care about dynamics they just want it to be as loud as everyone else in that genera ....

 

[Metaltastic]

Don't clip at all. Can't at least the folks who are "in-the-know" like us up-and-coming-producers try to get their loudness to -12/-11 RMS without clipping and limiting the fuck out of everything?

I mean, proper EQing, track compression and frequency selection should get you there with almost no limiting. After the Death Magnetic and The Blackening disasters people should really try and get SOME semblance of dynamics back into music ... and surely -11 RMS is not too soft, is it?

Well the cool thing about GClip is that it can give you A LOT of volume without any audible "clipping" in the traditional sense (and doesn't mess with the frequency balance or anything), so why not use it?

 

[grywolf627]

Back to the original poster...your chain is right (for the Slate method)...except for one missing thing: compression.
1) EQ - HP filter around 40Hz or so. Too much of this uneeded stuff will just kill your compression/limiting.
2) Gentle (and transparent) compression, just a couple of dB's max, just to tame those peaks a little.
3) Gclip
4) Gclip
5) Elephant (set up the way Slate described it)

Since using this...and especially now, using my compressor in dual mono mode (thanks Lasse for that tip!!)...I love the results. But I don't like to slam mine to -8. I usually the loudest peaks at around -10 to maybe -9.5 or so. That's more than loud enough for me.

 

[Zombietakeover]

Since using this...and especially now, using my compressor in dual mono mode (thanks Lasse for that tip!!)..

if i can ask.... whats this all about?

 

[Plankis]

When I used it I usually just clipped the snare hits. If you do any more there will be some nasty distortion.

 

[s34nsm411]

is there any way to do dual mono in cubase?

 

[grywolf627]

if i can ask.... whats this all about?

I had to question Lasse on this as well...as it goes against everything I was ever taught, using dual mono instead of stereo linking. But I like the way it sounds. At best, it's really a very subtle effect. It just kind of opens up the sound a little. Since I'm only using very slight compression, no more than a couple of dB's max, it doesn't affect the mix badly like I would expect from both channels compressing differently. Apparently, it's those little differences that make it sound so good. It's subtle, but noticeable. I'm talking like I'm an expert at this, but I only recently started this. It was Lasse that pointed this out in another thread.

 

[grywolf627]

is there any way to do dual mono in cubase?

There's bound to be some stereo compressor plugs that will let you link/unlink the channels. I know that compressor from the "conspiracy plugs" thread will do this, but I've yet to play with it. I go about it in a more drawn out process (for now), because I really like the Waves SSL 2 buss compressor. And I'm sure there's an easier way to do it (I'm sure someone will point out a more obvious way that I'm over looking...DOH!). But, I:

1) Open my 2 track mix in WaveLab.
2) Set up the compressor for very gentle compression and get it sounding nice.
3) Without applying the compression, I save the Left and Right channels to separate files.
4) Open the Right channel and listen to it through the same compressor settings (but set up for mono) and adjust as needed. Apply the compressor, save the file.
5) Do the same for the Left channel.
6) Open both files at the same time, so WaveLab merges them into one stereo file.
7) Continue with the rest of the "mastering" process.

I'm sure there's a much easier way of doing it. I've always had a penchant for doing things in strange ways thanks to my warped brain.

 

[joeymusicguy]

Slate mentioned that in the "getting your loudness" thread, apparently it is better to use two with light settings than one with heavy settings.

Love your work Joey, the new Woe of the Tyrants Cd shreds!

thanks, i hope some people catch the old school flavor of the mix.

 

[joeymusicguy]

Don't clip at all. Can't at least the folks who are "in-the-know" like us up-and-coming-producers try to get their loudness to -12/-11 RMS without clipping and limiting the fuck out of everything?

I mean, proper EQing, track compression and frequency selection should get you there with almost no limiting. After the Death Magnetic and The Blackening disasters people should really try and get SOME semblance of dynamics back into music ... and surely -11 RMS is not too soft, is it?

i stay under -9 these days.

i think -11 is too soft unless its indie.

 

[denizdurdag]

is there any way to do dual mono in cubase?

Yes. Put two mono instances of the compressor. Then link one of them to the left and the other one to the right using the routing view of the channel inserts.

 

[siegfried]

doesn´t two transparent compressor on dual mono sounds exactly the same as one stereo version across stereo file? I thought this dual mono technique makes sense with more organic comps like analog hardware or any coloring plugins (and with slightly different settings)...?