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[TechnicalBarbarity]

oh it's an actual subgenre? I thought you were just talking about progressive forms of metal( i dont think it necessarily has to be "extreme" metal .. god i hate using that term). I thought you meant shit like progressive metal, progressive/techincal death metal and thrash metal, progressive black metal etc

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

Does progressive metal have any real boundaries?

 

[Baroque]

Yeah I'd agree that stuff like tech death falls under the extreme progressive umbrella but it's also somewhat more limiting. Since for tech death or prog death you expect a certain sound and not the spectrum of bizarre things that can happen in a more general "extreme progressive" label.

 

[Talos of Atmora]

( i dont think it necessarily has to be "extreme" metal .. god i hate using that term).

Why do you hate using it?

 

[Baroque]

Does progressive metal have any real boundaries?

Not really no, I've heard so many of them pushed. Bands like Ansur that throw in bluegrass randomly. Bands that throw in surf rock, or classical violin like Ne Obliviscaris, jazz, swing etc etc

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

Why do you hate using it?

because when i was growing up only the squares who didn't even listen to thrash, death, black etc used that term to describe the music me and my peeps loved. Plenty of metalheads cringe when hearing that term.

 

[Talos of Atmora]

because when i was growing up only the squares who didn't even listen to thrash, death, black etc used that term to describe the musci me and my peeps loved.

OK, that makes sense.

I guess it would sound a bit cringy in that instance.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

Yeah I'd agree that stuff like tech death falls under the extreme progressive umbrella but it's also somewhat more limiting. Since for tech death or prog death you expect a certain sound and not the spectrum of bizarre things that can happen in a more general "extreme progressive" label.

i agree but that's why i said progressive tech death, not just strictly tech death. Theres bands that are straight up technical, and then theres band that are clearly just as creative and progressive .. but i guess you still have a point. Because they cant really go fully clean with their vocals. Scattered throughout songs or albums? Sure, but if they go strictly clean, they pretty much stop being a progressive death metal band and would be classified as just progressive metal .. which kind of proves my point again that its all pretty much progressive metal. And yes HBB, i didnt mention blastbeats because you dont need blastbeats in every track in order to be considered a progressive death metal band.

Not really no, I've heard so many of them pushed. Bands like Ansur that throw in bluegrass randomly. Bands that throw in surf rock, or classical violin like Ne Obliviscaris, jazz, swing etc etc

Yeah, my vote goes to Progressive metal.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

OK, that makes sense.

I guess it would sound a bit cringy in that instance.

I'm surprised you haven't heard someone trash it before. There are a shitload of metalheads that hate using that term.

 

[Baroque]

I think the difference is that in progressive metal you don't typically have extreme vocals or blastbeats, with exteme progressive metal you have everything progressive metal has plus those are an option. Also extreme progressive tends to be more experimental these days rather than just trying to be dream theater 2.0 like a lot of prog bands

 

[Talos of Atmora]

I'm surprised you haven't heard someone trash it before. There are a shitload of metalheads that hate using that term.

I don't use it that much at all and the only context in which I've seen it used is if someone were using it as a general, expedient term in a discussion.

Then again, I've never really spent time on a metal forum until August of last year so that could be why I didn't know.

 

[Baroque]

I don't use it that much at all and the only context in which I've seen it used is if someone were using it as a general, expedient term in a discussion.

Yeah I think it's an easy way to create an umbrella for death/black/thrash influences without being specific to one

 

[Talos of Atmora]

Yeah I think it's an easy way to create an umbrella for death/black/thrash influences without being specific to one

Essentially. I've never really thought about it as anything to dislike.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

Yeah I think it's an easy way to create an umbrella for death/black/thrash influences without being specific to one

but it's used to describe much more than just the three subgenre's you mentioned. I'd link wiki but im pretty sure one of you would somehow miraculously discredit it, lol.

when someone says metal and they leave the term heavy out .. i already knw what they're taklking about ... no need to say "extreme" metal. That shit was used by the squares who were terrified of anything that wasn't traditional heavy metal.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

@Baroque, so what are Between the Buried and Me ?.. because they have incorporated pretty much every style of metal there is tot heir sound throughout their career. And i've never heard anyone describe them as "progressive extreme metal", just progressive metal.

 

[CiG]

When I hear the word extreme I just think of those dudebros from Harold & Kuma.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

 

[Baroque]

but it's used to describe much more than just the three subgenre's you mentioned. I'd link wiki but im pretty sure one of you would somehow miraculously discredit it, lol.

when someone says metal and they leave the term heavy out .. i already knw what they're taklking about ... no need to say "extreme" metal. That shit was used by the squares who were terrified of anything that wasn't traditional heavy metal.

I don't know that the term should be ruined by those not in the know. What term do you propose in its place? There is a need for such a term.

I don't really think Doom should be considered extreme unless we're talking death/Doom or the like. But what do I know about Doom.

As far as between the buried and me, not familiar with their music but it sounds like it is prog metal with extreme influences

 

[Baroque]

Anyway my goal wasn't to argue semantics about how lame someone thinks the word extreme is but to say the genre it describes pushes the boundaries of metal further than other subgenres do. And I should sleep so later.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Let's get real and admit that Liturgy's The Ark Work is the ultimate expression of what metal should be.