Godsmack and Disturbed

[General Zod]

Fair enough but some of those bands drifted a bit off the metal path later on in their careers.

Agreed.

This is where we disagree in a big, big way. Judas Priest are one of the greatest metal bands of all time, IMO. Only Sabbath and Maiden can be mentioned in the same breath.

I'll take Crue over Priest. Maiden are gods. And though I respect their role in the genre's history, Sabbath bore the life out of me.

As for Accept, their run from the Breaker album up to and including Russian Roulette was one of the greatest runs by any metal band ever, IMO.

Accept never interested me.

I will give you Ozzy being inconsistent but only after the first 2 albums with Randy which both ruled.

Everytime I hear "Goodbye to Romance" I want to stab my ears with rusty forks.

We do agree here for the most part. I think Dokken got the short end of the stick for that era because musically they were far superior than their peers.

I take it you don't count Queensryche as being amongst their peers? Because I don't put Dokken on the same planet with Queensryche.

And for the life of me, thats what leads to me never figuring out why Pyromania got so much praise while Tooth and Nail (a way better album, IMO) didn't.

Well, we all have our favorites. To me "Pyromania" is the vastly supeior disc.

Zod

 

[Iced Ray]

I take it you don't count Queensryche as being amongst their peers? Because I don't put Dokken on the same planet with Queensryche.

No, I don't see 'Ryche as one of their 'glam metal/hard rock' peers. And I agree that 'Ryche from the debut EP through Operation Mindcrime blows Dokken away.

 

[General Zod]

No, I don't see 'Ryche as one of their 'glam metal/hard rock' peers. And I agree that 'Ryche from the debut EP through Operation Mindcrime blows Dokken away.

OK. It wasn't clear to me that you were referring only to Glam Rock/Metal, when you said you put Dokken ahead of their peers. Though, there were a lot of great players within that Glam Rock/Metal peer group.

Zod

 

[jhallum]

No one can replace Freddie but they got one hell of a great lead singer to help carry on. Paul Rodgers was awesome in my opinion.

Joe Elliot cant sing anymore.

Preist rules. Kiss blows

Bear

He never could sing Rock of Ages live, nor Rocket (which is a bonus video on Vh1's website:

http://www.vh1.com/shows/events/rock_honors/2006/vspot.jhtml

I have a boot from the In the Round/In Your Face show on audio, and he couldn't hit the high stuff then either.

I just finished watching the whole thing+bonus vids on line, and I thought the whole show was good, even the emo-Def Leppard cover. Some really good performances there (the supergroup on Gods of Thunder? ROOOOARRR!, We Will Rock You/We Are the Champions? YES! all of Priests stuff! Love Gun!) I loved Sully's performance on the Priest cover, though I question them doing a medley of tunes, they should have landed on a song and played that. Sully just has a clear, clear bass voice when he wants to, and he can switch to aggressive mode and still sound awesome.

It was all good, IMO, and VH1 should show more rock concerts, nostalgia or no!

 

[TheGraveDigger]

Back to the original topic of Disturbed and Godsmack...

For the longest time I was the most one dimentional true metal fuck out there. Did not want to know or hear anything else. I often dismissed other bands if they didn't have 'true metal' oozing out of them. I recently got over that little stage of mine and started opening my eyes more and listening to other stuff in the hard rock and metal realm. It turns out I am no longer into a lot of the death and black metal I was listening to. I still do like some of it but most of it I was listening to just because and I later learned I really did not like a lot of it. In the past 6 months I have become a huge fan of bands like Nickelback, Shinedown and more heavy hitters like Disturbed, Staind, and Godsmack. I saw Disturbed in December and thought they were amazing. Also saw Staind this past Wednesday who I also thought were a stellar live band. I should be going to see Shinedown this summer playing with Trapt at the Starland Ballroom in Sayreville, NJ and I already have my Giants Stadium Bon Jovi tickets in which Nickelback will open the show. I've gotta see Godsmack now. I loved their VH1 Rock Honors performance in which they did a Judas Priest medley.

Overall I will say my favorite bands are...

Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Edguy, Whitesnake, and Savatage but newer bands like the above mentioned are starting to creep into the picture.

 

[Ruthven]

I really need to get those Shinedown albums one of these days. Dude can sing, he reminds me of an alt-rock version of Mike Matijevic at times. I really despise Nickelback and Staind, but it is more of a case of local overexposure for the former and the constant whining of the latter.

But hey - what works for an individual works. It sounds like you are going through a similar period that I went through in the 90's, when I looked past the Maiden/Helloween/Savatage albums (which I still love, BTW) that I listened to 24/7 and discovered bands like Nine Inch Nails and The Cure.

 

[MEGALOUD]

I don't like them, though Godsmack is more tolerable than Disturbed.

DISTURBED ROCKS, I can tolorate Godsmack and they do have their moments,
but they haven't come close to writing the same quality of material that eminates from Disturbed in my opinion. Although I consider these band NU-Metal ala not much on the solo's ......Wait a minute, now tha I think about it
it's only the songs that are on radio by Godsmack that don't do it for me, the rest of their albums actually do ROCK!! SORT of the Oposite of Disturbed, since their radio tunes are the Great ones on their albums.

 

[TheGraveDigger]

I love the new Godsmack tune "Speak".

 

[Ruthven]

I love the new Godsmack tune "Speak".

I have to say, that is one of the best hard rock songs I have heard on the radio in quite some time.

 

[General Zod]

For the longest time I was the most one dimentional true metal fuck out there. Did not want to know or hear anything else. I often dismissed other bands if they didn't have 'true metal' oozing out of them. I recently got over that little stage of mine and started opening my eyes more and listening to other stuff in the hard rock and metal realm.

I think most Metalheads go through this phase. I'm not sure if it's passion, youth, or a combination thereof. When I was younger, Metal was the only genre I could tollerate. However, now I listen to Blues, Jazz, Lounge, and whatever genre Delerium and Enigma fall into, etc. That said, my taste in Metal has also widened. I listen to some pretty extreme stuff these days, that I never would have listened to back in the day.

Zod

 

[Jasonic]

I don't own a disc by either, but have heard both. I have been considering a Disturbed disc. Godsmack isn't my cup of tea, but they aren't "bad" either. What do I know though ? I am a Goo Goo Dolls fan.


Bryant

Stick with the Goo Goo Dolls.

 

[Iced Ray]

I think most Metalheads go through this phase. I'm not sure if it's passion, youth, or a combination thereof. When I was younger, Metal was the only genre I could tollerate. However, now I listen to Blues, Jazz, Lounge, and whatever genre Delerium and Enigma fall into, etc. That said, my taste in Metal has also widened. I listen to some pretty extreme stuff these days, that I never would have listened to back in the day.

Zod

I agree that is probably true for many metalheads but I, on the other hand, have done just the opposite. When I was younger I listened to just about everything. Of course, when I heard Black Sabbath's Heaven & Hell album in 1980, metal became my favorite genre of music and obviously has been to this day.

As years went on, I listened to more metal and less of everything else.
This even applies to hard rock, I listen to much less of it now than I ever have (including classic rock like Zep, Rush, etc...). I mean I won't turn it off if its on the radio or somethin' but I won't voluntarily listen to non-metal.

Plus, I have not bought non-metal cds in quite some time and have no desire to either.

And its not because of the whole 'I am a true metalhead' idea, its more because I just honestly enjoy metal much more than other music. I get urges to play metal albums while I don't for other genres. I get excited about new metal releases and new metal bands and I don't for other genres. Nothing that has come out recently has excited me (mallcore, metalcore, etc...). And finally, metal has evolved in the last 26 years to a variety of styles and genres so there is so much more under the metal 'umbrella' if you will.

 

[edgeofthorns]

OK, so we're in the same agae group (I'll be 38 late this year).

To me, all these bands were Metal. I didn't draw any distinction between Motley Crue and Ozzy. They were different peas in the same pod.

While I like all the bands you've listed here, I'd take Crue, Ratt and Def Lep over Ozzy, Accept and Priest. For me, it was Ozzy and Accept who were inconsistent. Ozzy, even in his solo prime, wrote songs that make me want to tare my ears off.

Dokken was easily the most overlooked band of the 80s. However, it always seemed to me that they lacked conviction. They weren't sure who they wanted to be. I remember reading an interview with Lynch, where he mentioned that they felt an enormous sense of preasure to keep up with Motley Crue from an image perspective. They constantly went from writing these bad ass tunes like "Mr. Scary" and "Kiss of Death" to radio-oriented shit like "Burning Like a Flame" (one of the worst songs Ive ever heard). That said, "Tooth and Nail", "Under Lock and Key" and "Back for the Attack" are all stellar discs.

Zod

I disagree with your comment about Dokken being the most overlooked band in the 80s. BADLANDS is the most overlooked band of the 80s and of all time in my opinion! It's a freakin' crime that more people don't know who these guys are! Their 1989 self titled debut is an absolute, essential classic to the hard rock fan, period!

Dokken was a great band and they got their due, but allowed egoes to kill the original lineup. I agree Under Lock and Key, Tooth and Nail, and Back For The Attack are all great. Beast From The East is a great live disc too.

 

[Jasonic]

I am kind of mid-road between Zod and Iced Ray (Iced Ray and I have discussed this at length on other boards before.)

Hard rock and metal were the first genres of music I was into. Then in the 90's I got exposed to true underground American punk rock. I was extremely turned onto the whole DIY aspect. Unfortunately, the commercialization of punk in the late 90's ruined it completely. Also, not many bands that play the style of punk I was into.

Then in the late 90's, I realized that there were still bands, primarily HammerFall and Iced Earth, who were still playing true "heavy metal".

Ever since, I have discovered many of metal's fine sub genres, which were not to prevalent when I was into metal before (In the close minded days where there was thrash and then all the poser shit! )

 

[edgeofthorns]

Back to the original topic of Disturbed and Godsmack...

For the longest time I was the most one dimentional true metal fuck out there. Did not want to know or hear anything else. I often dismissed other bands if they didn't have 'true metal' oozing out of them. I recently got over that little stage of mine and started opening my eyes more and listening to other stuff in the hard rock and metal realm. It turns out I am no longer into a lot of the death and black metal I was listening to. I still do like some of it but most of it I was listening to just because and I later learned I really did not like a lot of it. In the past 6 months I have become a huge fan of bands like Nickelback, Shinedown and more heavy hitters like Disturbed, Staind, and Godsmack. I saw Disturbed in December and thought they were amazing. Also saw Staind this past Wednesday who I also thought were a stellar live band. I should be going to see Shinedown this summer playing with Trapt at the Starland Ballroom in Sayreville, NJ and I already have my Giants Stadium Bon Jovi tickets in which Nickelback will open the show. I've gotta see Godsmack now. I loved their VH1 Rock Honors performance in which they did a Judas Priest medley.

Overall I will say my favorite bands are...

Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Edguy, Whitesnake, and Savatage but newer bands like the above mentioned are starting to creep into the picture.

SAVATAGE is one of the most underappreaciated bands to ever exist, and I can't figure out why! People love TSO and sell out small arenas, but can't even pronounce Savatage.

 

[edgeofthorns]

I really need to get those Shinedown albums one of these days. Dude can sing, he reminds me of an alt-rock version of Mike Matijevic at times. I really despise Nickelback and Staind, but it is more of a case of local overexposure for the former and the constant whining of the latter.

But hey - what works for an individual works. It sounds like you are going through a similar period that I went through in the 90's, when I looked past the Maiden/Helloween/Savatage albums (which I still love, BTW) that I listened to 24/7 and discovered bands like Nine Inch Nails and The Cure.

Both Shinedown releases are strong, but Us and Them is their best so far IMO. It's more stripped down along with a blues rock kind of thing going on. I don't get Mike Matijevic out of the lead singer though, but Chris Cornelle is very evident.

 

[Ruthven]

I don't get Mike Matijevic out of the lead singer though, but Chris Cornelle is very evident.

I think that mainly when he is hitting the high notes on the chorus to "Fly From the Inside." When I heard that on the radio, I was kind of shocked to hear a guy who could actually sing amongst all the goatboy junk cluttering the airwaves.

 

[edgeofthorns]

I think that mainly when he is hitting the high notes on the chorus to "Fly From the Inside." When I heard that on the radio, I was kind of shocked to hear a guy who could actually sing amongst all the goatboy junk cluttering the airwaves.

I understand completely. I believe there are vocalist out there that can actually sing, but most of them are looking for work! If you can't whine or sing through your nose, then you're not being played on the radio. All of the EMO crap is short lived though, and will fall to the wayside soon, IMO.