Help me with my guitar sound please (clip inside)

[Long_Shaded_Eyes]

Hello everyone, first post on this board , that I've been reading for some months and wich I like very much.

I posted this tread on another board I like (Gearslutz), hopes it don't create any problem. I just one to have as many opinions as possible, so thanks much for any infos

Here is my original post :

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Hi,

So here is my problem (again) : I'm recording some guitar track for my own band. The gear is good (or ok) and the sound is not so bad BUT I just can't acheive exactly what I want. The sound still sound a bit "hard" , and the grain of the tracks is not so beautiful (like it still sound like a "cheap" sound at me).

Here is my chain (4 tracks)

1: Gibson SG 76 -> Orange Head -> Mesa Boogie Cab -> 421 (white one)
2: Gibson SG 76 -> Orange Head -> Orange Cab -> SM57
3: PRS -> Orange Head -> Orange Cab -> M101
4: PRS -> Orange Head -> Orange Cab -> SM57

All mics are angled to avoid the nasty fizz around 10k.
They go to my Amek Big (for the preamp & eq) where I've put a low cut, remove some bass @ 80Hz, add some hi-mid @ 4,5Khz, remove some high @ 12Khz (each time 2 db I think).
No phase problem with the multimic cause it's 4 different takes. Now here are the clip (WAV - sorry for that),

http://after.taste.free.fr/Dams/

(here you can find the raw tracks with just one eq on the master + the guitar tracks alone ... I know it's not very tight for now )

Please what do you think of the sound ? I know i'm not a pro but I want to improve so please advice are welcome. I really search for a grainy, organic, glassy sound. My reference for the guitar is the band Poison The Well ( www.myspace.com/poisonthewell), but also bands like Cult of Luna (http://myspace.com/cultofluna , Breach...)

THANKS TO ALL (sorry for my English).
/Nick.

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People there give me those advice : use less gain , layer with a Telecaster and a clean amp, try to not angle the mic or at least use one that is not angled with the other, layer with a POD...

Now I wonder what is the best to do.
Playing with eq I realised that there is something nasty around 2,6Khz that I can remove easily and it makes the sound far better BUT what do you think of this sound please ? How can I acheive a "glassy" hi-gain sound, I'm searching for something with a lot of grain , organic, with style.

How many guitar should I layer (multi mics ? how many takes ?) please ?
What is the best way to blend a Tele, a SG and a PRS together for you ?
Now I plan to do this :
2 take with Tele (quite clean), 2 takes with SG, one with the PRS. It is too much takes ? Should I go like : 1 for tele (with 2 mics), 1 with SG (2 mics) , 1 with PRS (1 mic) ?

Sorry for all those questions & thanks much for every tips.
/Nick.

 

[ochants76]

The guitar playing is way to sloppy for that many takes.

 

[Long_Shaded_Eyes]

The guitar playing is way to sloppy for that many takes ....

Yeah ... I know that ...
As told in the first post, it was just experimenting ... and after 2 days and 4 hours per day of doing the same 2 riff ... yeah it gets sloppy ... but no excuse, cause it just wasn't my main problem, my guitarist will be ok for the real takes
Now my main problem is how to obtain the tone I'm searching for ... thanks anyway for the tips & listening to the clips

/Nick.

 

[ochants76]

I would say less gain and a tele would get you closer...as mentioned before. Also I think you may be over doing it with trying to layer so much...the sound you want is a rather simple tone that can easily get muddied up.

 

[Long_Shaded_Eyes]

Ok thanks for the tips Ochants76. I planned to use a Tele since everyone told me that would be better and I think you are right also for the takes. But I don't know how many tracks should I do and how do deal with them (for panning).

Usually I do something like : 100 % LEFT + 40% RIGHT for the first guitare and 100% RIGHT + 40% RIGHT for the second (the 40% is most of the time done with an angled mic and a little dip @ 3Khz-5Khz).

But in this case should I do like 3 takes ? Peraps just 2 ? And I don't know what would be the better : peraps do 2 takes with the Tele with 2 mics and then do 1 takes with the SG with 1 mic and blend all of this... I think that pushing the Tele to the side would be better , no ?

Please how do you guys deal with multi takes ? How do you layer them ?
Thanks much for showing interest , that's very nice
/Nick.