HOW TO Remove Snare in Overheads
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amarshism
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Limiter set to the fastest attack time works well for me. Waves L1 seems to be the one I keep coming back to for this. I find it easier to set the limiter when listening to a loud section of toms or hard cymbal hits. I want no gain reduction on anything but the snare.
Of course sidechain compression will also work, as mentioned earlier.
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Of course sidechain compression will also work, as mentioned earlier.
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amarshism
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you can also try ducking the centre channel depending on how balanced they are, or using a sidechain to c6 if you only want to pull out the most prominent snare regions
DavePiatek
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The best method is a combination of HP filter and ducking with a sidechained compressor keyed from the snare mic track.
miguelrx10d
Axe Addicted
xFkx
gain induction
yay, let's kill every last bit of the actual performance so we can replace it with a generic sample, yaaay
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Fox Mulder
The Truth Is Out There
It's extremely uncanny to be in such a situation. How would bleed/ambiance alone cause the snare to pop out so much?
My advice to you is to start from scratch.
My advice to you is to start from scratch.
KHE
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sidechained compression with pre-attack-time (reacomp for example).
sidechain from the snare-close-mic, pre-attack to ~1ms, attack 0, short release to kill only the transient but high enough to get no pumping, high ratio (~8:1), threshold set to taste (make sure to adjust it in the mix, not solo-overheads!!!)
pre-attack is really the key here. even the fastest attacks on all comps i've tried aren't fast enough.
if your compressor dosen't have a pre-attack-parameter, copy the snare-close-mic-track, shift it 1ms forward and use this track only to trigger your OH-compressor via sidechain.
and make sure to kill some annoying snare-resonances in the OHs with an eq first, but don't ruin your cymbal-sounds...!
sidechain from the snare-close-mic, pre-attack to ~1ms, attack 0, short release to kill only the transient but high enough to get no pumping, high ratio (~8:1), threshold set to taste (make sure to adjust it in the mix, not solo-overheads!!!)
pre-attack is really the key here. even the fastest attacks on all comps i've tried aren't fast enough.
if your compressor dosen't have a pre-attack-parameter, copy the snare-close-mic-track, shift it 1ms forward and use this track only to trigger your OH-compressor via sidechain.
and make sure to kill some annoying snare-resonances in the OHs with an eq first, but don't ruin your cymbal-sounds...!
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ibzrgtoffire
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+134321 great advices. If all of this fails to remove a good amount of snare in your ohs then there was probably a major fuck during tracking stage.
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mstone564
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Haha, I mean these are hilarious, but definitely the most random thing I've ever seen in my life LOL
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I'm sure that the snare won't be too loud in the overhead tracks.
I strongly advice you to think about the overhead tracks as mic'ing up the whole drumkit rather than just capturing the overheads. That's the way it should be if you ask me. That way you'll get a natural warm sound instead of a sterile programmed drum sound. Just try it out. Start with the overhead tracks and pan them nicely and EQ them to sound like it's the whole kit with all mics. Then if you feel like some of the drums need more focus start adding volume to kick, snare and tom tracks.
If the case is that the room you recorded in sounds bad then I don't think you'll do much with the OH tracks but if you want to limit the snare drum then Waves L2 does the trick.
I strongly advice you to think about the overhead tracks as mic'ing up the whole drumkit rather than just capturing the overheads. That's the way it should be if you ask me. That way you'll get a natural warm sound instead of a sterile programmed drum sound. Just try it out. Start with the overhead tracks and pan them nicely and EQ them to sound like it's the whole kit with all mics. Then if you feel like some of the drums need more focus start adding volume to kick, snare and tom tracks.
If the case is that the room you recorded in sounds bad then I don't think you'll do much with the OH tracks but if you want to limit the snare drum then Waves L2 does the trick.
Backe
Space Cowboy
HOW TO get a better and more natural snare sound by NOT removing it from your overheads
1. Don't destroy the cymbals with some weird super-fast compressor choking the life out of them
2. Realize that a lot of vital top end of the snare (and the toms) comes from the overheads
3. Victory cigar!
1. Don't destroy the cymbals with some weird super-fast compressor choking the life out of them
2. Realize that a lot of vital top end of the snare (and the toms) comes from the overheads
3. Victory cigar!
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Erik Monsonis
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As an AE I'd like to know the best tools for every task. I can't count on the times that I've received some tracks that were poorly recorded with WAY too much snare (the ugly ringy detuned cheap one). So it's not always to replace 100 % or hide actual performances.
Learn your tools because you never know when you are gonna need them
