I just watched Audition..
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JayKeeley
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Yep Russ - I've seen it. I thought the 'hobbling' scene in Misery (Kathy Bates breaking James Caan's ankles) was the worst thing I'd seen related to foot torture, until Audition came along....
...in any case, a very interesting film nevertheless. Not one that I would own on DVD though - definitely a film you only need to see once, thank you very much.
...in any case, a very interesting film nevertheless. Not one that I would own on DVD though - definitely a film you only need to see once, thank you very much.
I own it on DVD And I agree, it's not a film I'm going to ne watching again anytime soon..I think the violence is so affecting because for the first three quarters of the movie it is a love story, and the ending is quite a drastic and unexpected change. I haven't felt so uneasy watching a movie in a while
JayKeeley
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Russell said:I think the violence is so affecting because for the first three quarters of the movie it is a love story, and the ending is quite a drastic and unexpected change. I haven't felt so uneasy watching a movie in a while
It is amazing the way the finale hits you. The thing that gets me is that the bitch is so nonchalante about the whole affair, taking her time and wot not. And the guy is paralized...! It's like you just want to tell him to get up and kick her teeth in.
I agree, it's quite a departure for Miike Takeshi with not a triad in sight. Other than Ichi the Killer, have you seen Takeshi's other flix?
And any updates on Battle Royale II at your end?
JayKeeley said:It is amazing the way the finale hits you. The thing that gets me is that the bitch is so nonchalante about the whole affair, taking her time and wot not. And the guy is paralized...! It's like you just want to tell him to get up and kick her teeth in.
Yeah, and the entire "Deeper, deeper, deeper" thing.. It definietly made me feel quie uncomfortable JayKeeley said:
I've only got City of Lost Souls, and Dead Or Alive 2 (which I haven't watched yet) I'm afraid! So not many, but there aren't all that many of his films that have been released here
Any recomendations for his other films?Hmm, I haven't been following news on Battle Royale II that closely really, so not much
Is it still in the making?
JayKeeley
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Russell said:I've only got City of Lost Souls, and Dead Or Alive 2 (which I haven't watched yet) I'm afraid! So not many, but there aren't all that many of his films that have been released here
Sounds like you've got more than me, but I do hear that City of Lost Souls is good. I'm not the biggest Yakuza / Triad fan though - I prefer the horror shit as you probably know by now.
Unless of course we're talking early John Woo / Chow Yun Fat stuff. That shit is da bom! (God of Gamblers!!)
Hmm, I haven't been following news on Battle Royale II that closely really, so not much
I'm sure it is. I've seen stills where the entire classroom are dressed in military fatigues....this time they mean business!
JayKeeley said:
Haha, fair enough
Yeah City Of Lost Souls is pretty good.. I pretty much watch whatever, as long as I think it's good And it just so happens that the majority of Japanese films are a lot better than the stuff coming out of hollywood :hotjump:JayKeeley said:
Hehe, wicked, I can't wait
JayKeeley
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Russell said:Haha, fair enough
Damn straight brother. Hollywood is such tripe these days, it's incredible. Go beyond Japan, and check out HK too. And you know where else these days? Fucking Korea! Yeah, seriously.
Apparently the Korean remake of Ring (I think they called it Ring Virus) is supposed to be THE best version of the film/book. My house is becoming Ring infested (with the Jap, US versions, plus Ring 2 which is also amazing).
Funny about Hollywood though - they are remaking all these Japanese films. Tom Cruise picked up The Eye already. Tell me you've seen The Eye.
Ayeka
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They've started doing horror/nasty films features in Terrorizer now...I can name-drop Sogun Assassin, Men Behind The Sun, The Evil Dead Trap trilogy, and the eight Guinea Pig films. Anyone seen 'em? I don't intend too unless they fall in my lap - I'm too squeamish!
JayKeeley
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Ayeka said:They've started doing horror/nasty films features in Terrorizer now...I can name-drop Sogun Assassin, Men Behind The Sun, The Evil Dead Trap trilogy, and the eight Guinea Pig films. Anyone seen 'em? I don't intend too unless they fall in my lap - I'm too squeamish!
Men Behind the Sun is supposed to be a video nasty from back in the day. It's all about the Japanese war camps of WWII. Never seen it though.
Evil Dead Trap is supposed to be good. Not seen it.
Shogun Assassin is EXCELLENT. Seen it, own it (the UK uncut version). Just phenomenal choreography of sword play - and yes, very brutal.
Guinea Pig? Me know nothing.
Ayeka
Hell Bent For Leather!
From Terrorizer:
"The Guinea Pig films, on the other hand, are a totally different find. Eight installments that include a 'making of' (might sound a little 'Steven Speilberg' but rumour has it that this had to be made to satisfy the FBI after a Hollywood superstar - who shall remain nameless - saw one of the films and was convinced it was real), these were the most sought after shock-flicks on the circuit for years, no-one could get them, but everyone had heard of them. Where Evil Dead Trap was reported as good horror, the Guinea Pig films were seen as pornography, of the very nastiest type. Part I, The Devil's Experiment, is the longest 45 minutes I've ever sat through in my life. A group of three guys systematically physically abuse a woman until she dies. No plot, just misogynistic nastiness. On its first release it featured no titles and no credits, a deliberate oversight to leave you wondering who the hell was responsible for creating such depravity. A truly horrific piece of film that certainly oushes the boundaries - whether you want to label it as 'ground breaking' or just 'plain sick' is your own opinion.
Part II, Android of Notre Dame has a bizarre cyber/splatter punk feel to it as well as a cohesive storyline about a midget professor searching for a cure for his terminally ill girlfriend. In his insane quest for success he kidnaps, dissects and beats to death hapless females for a cure.
Flowers of Flesh and Blood, Part III, [cited as #2 in the article but this must be a typo] flits back to the plot style of Part I. A girl is kidnapped and tortured by a guy in a samurai outfit in full on sadistic misogynistic nastiness.
Part IV, the fantastically titled Mermaid In A Manhole, is a surprisingly intelligent offering from the series. An artist who gets inspiration from his local sewer stumbles across a mermaid floundering in the filth. He takes her back to his studio and paints her decaying body as she begs to be killed. A bizarre and grotesque, as opposed to downright gross, slice of surrealism.
By Part V, Peter's Devil Woman Doctor, the tone has certainly lightened to black humour as opposed to cruelty with our Peter, our transvestite doctor, conducting a series of experiments on men (a first for this set of films) and women.
Part VI, Slaughter Special, is a re-edit of part I & III withsome 'humourous' footage. The making of Guinea Pig fills in Part VII, while Part VIII, He Never Dies, concerns a guy who starts off his odd ritual of stabbing various sharp imliments into himself, before taking the plunge deciding to slice off various body parts.
All in all, the Guinea Pig films are more of a curiosity than anything else, made with the sole purpose of pushing the limits of not only the extremes of the horror genre but what you as a viewer are prepared to sit through."
"The Guinea Pig films, on the other hand, are a totally different find. Eight installments that include a 'making of' (might sound a little 'Steven Speilberg' but rumour has it that this had to be made to satisfy the FBI after a Hollywood superstar - who shall remain nameless - saw one of the films and was convinced it was real), these were the most sought after shock-flicks on the circuit for years, no-one could get them, but everyone had heard of them. Where Evil Dead Trap was reported as good horror, the Guinea Pig films were seen as pornography, of the very nastiest type. Part I, The Devil's Experiment, is the longest 45 minutes I've ever sat through in my life. A group of three guys systematically physically abuse a woman until she dies. No plot, just misogynistic nastiness. On its first release it featured no titles and no credits, a deliberate oversight to leave you wondering who the hell was responsible for creating such depravity. A truly horrific piece of film that certainly oushes the boundaries - whether you want to label it as 'ground breaking' or just 'plain sick' is your own opinion.
Part II, Android of Notre Dame has a bizarre cyber/splatter punk feel to it as well as a cohesive storyline about a midget professor searching for a cure for his terminally ill girlfriend. In his insane quest for success he kidnaps, dissects and beats to death hapless females for a cure.
Flowers of Flesh and Blood, Part III, [cited as #2 in the article but this must be a typo] flits back to the plot style of Part I. A girl is kidnapped and tortured by a guy in a samurai outfit in full on sadistic misogynistic nastiness.
Part IV, the fantastically titled Mermaid In A Manhole, is a surprisingly intelligent offering from the series. An artist who gets inspiration from his local sewer stumbles across a mermaid floundering in the filth. He takes her back to his studio and paints her decaying body as she begs to be killed. A bizarre and grotesque, as opposed to downright gross, slice of surrealism.
By Part V, Peter's Devil Woman Doctor, the tone has certainly lightened to black humour as opposed to cruelty with our Peter, our transvestite doctor, conducting a series of experiments on men (a first for this set of films) and women.
Part VI, Slaughter Special, is a re-edit of part I & III withsome 'humourous' footage. The making of Guinea Pig fills in Part VII, while Part VIII, He Never Dies, concerns a guy who starts off his odd ritual of stabbing various sharp imliments into himself, before taking the plunge deciding to slice off various body parts.
All in all, the Guinea Pig films are more of a curiosity than anything else, made with the sole purpose of pushing the limits of not only the extremes of the horror genre but what you as a viewer are prepared to sit through."
JayKeeley
Be still, O wand'rer!
That's kind of like the Khanate of horror flicks. Just pure dementia.
Not for me though, although Mermaid in a Manhole has been getting a bit of a push lately as a cult find.
Not for me though, although Mermaid in a Manhole has been getting a bit of a push lately as a cult find.
JayKeeley said:
Haha, I only mentioned Japan because of laziness, I watch quite a few other world films as well, a few cool ones:
Mexican - Amores Perros, The Devil's Backbone, Cronos
Swedish - Together (man I love that film)
French - The Crimson Rivers (one hell of a genre hopping, baffling film), Taxi, Two men on a train
English - shallow grave, my little eye (ok, yeah so that's debatable
)But I still watch nowhere near as many as I would like!
JayKeeley said:
I'll keep my eye open for Korean films, as yet I haven't seen any (or at least none to my knowledge.. So is Ring2 worth getting as well?I've got The Eye, I've yet to watch it.. :hotjump:I shall look forward to seeing it
JayKeeley
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Russell said:
How stunning is Devils Backbone? It's such a beautiful movie to not only watch, but to look at too, do you know what I mean? The cinematography is outstanding.
Yes I think Ring 2 is a worthy successor. First of all, it's the same director so he knew what he was doing, and second of all, it is even more demented. I mean, schizo demented.
JayKeeley said:
Yup!
What DVD release do you have? Does it have those special effects featurettes - the amount of work they put into just that bomb being dropped was.. well surprising - for me anyway JayKeeley said:
Excellent! :hotjump: I'll see how much it is on DVD
JayKeeley
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Russell said:Yup!
I'll admit, I don't know which version I have....and right now I can't find my copy. But I bought it here in the US for $30 (!) and so I'm hoping I get the extras.
The bomb dropping scene is excellent. The ghost constantly surrounded by water droplets is ingenious. And little touches like the complex gateway to the outside desert is always filmed with the sillouhette of the exit to make the place look so much more desolate...
Excellent! :hotjump: I'll see how much it is on DVD
I would definitely recommend it, just because I think Hideo Nakata is like a better version of M Night Shyamalan. I haven't seen his latest, but all his works so far are astounding.
By the way, I have the UK version of Ring 2. And I will probably get Ring 0: Birthday at some point, although I'm always skeptical when a different director comes into the mix.
JayKeeley said:
Yeah, there are many great little touches like that
I'm surprised they had enough money to use so many effects, I mean Mexico isn't exactly known for large budget films JayKeeley said:
Cool, I'll let you know what I think when I see it!
JayKeeley
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Russell said:Yeah, there are many great little touches like that
Was it on a Mexican budget though? It might have been produced by the yanks. I still have not seen Cronos and I'm kicking myself. However, even when Del Torro has money, he still does a fine job. I think Blade II was better than the first one.
Speaking of low budgets, have you seen the two wolf films recently: Dog Soldiers and Ginger Snaps? Not that the effects are Devils Backbone quality - far from it - but both excellent.
Cool, I'll let you know what I think when I see it!
In the meantime, I'm probably going to hunt down Ring Virus (Korea).
Hey - quick question - what do you think about remakes? This year we're going to get Hollywood remakes of Dawn of the Dead and Texas Chainsaw Massacre....thoughts?
JayKeeley said:
I thought so, but just because i thought it unlikely America would pay for a non english language film..
I still haven't seen blade II JayKeeley said:
No, I haven't.. But Ginger Snaps was released by Optimum Releasing over here, and the trailer looked entertaining, and I read some good reviews, so I've been meaning to see it
Was Dog Soldiers low budget? It got pretty extensive press coverage over here.. JayKeeley said:
Good question, one I haven't considered fully! I've never seen the remake of night of the living dead, but it's suppoed to be ok, so I don't see that much harm in remaking DotD as long as they're faithful to Romero's directing. TCM I definitely don't think should be remade, I think it's lower budget elements were part of the appeal, and helped create the atmosphere and feel which is so effective. Something which I think would probably be ruined by a remake.. But those are first thoughts only.. And you?
JayKeeley
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Russell said:I thought so, but just because i thought it unlikely America would pay for a non english language film..
It's much darker. Noir elements - and a nod to Arnie's Predator. You'll notice when you see it, heh.
Ginger Snaps was released by Optimum Releasing over here, and the trailer looked entertaining, and I read some good reviews, so I've been meaning to see it
The entire Ginger Snaps movie is based on a metaphor. They've tied together the changes a girl goes through with puberty, adolesence, and essentially womanhood, with that of a lycanthrope. Really quite clever, and excellent script. Sequel in the works...
Was Dog Soldiers low budget? It got pretty extensive press coverage over here..
There was a quick collection of British horror that all got released together - most recently 28 Days Later. Hope this continues. Anyway, the marketing fiends fed off each others flicks, and it paved the way for a resurrgence: The Bunker, Dog Soldiers, 28 Days...etc.
I would say Dog Soldiers was low budget: C class actors, VERY dodgy effects...but excellent storyline. So simple: Combine Night of the Living Dead with Aliens, and replace the monster figure with werewolves. Beautiful stuff, and damned expensive on DVD in the states unfortunately ($35!).
The remake of NotLD is identical, therefore it passes. But I can live without it. Kudos to Tom Savini though, but I wish he would go back to doing what he does best. I'll be disappointed if he doesn't do the FX for the fourth dead movie, Dead Reckoning....
TCM should be left untouched. As should Dawn of the Dead. Why they remade Psycho is beyond belief. I think it's just a sign of Hollywood running out of ideas: right now it's all remakes and comic strip characters drenched in CGI.
It's an MTV audience nowaday right? That's why the people hated House of a Thousand Corpses. Not that I've seen it, but Rob Zombie was supposed to pay homage to the 70's, and the public got confused. That means it'll become cult in 5 years.
The screenshots I've seen for the new TCM looks just like Scream or I Know what you did last Summer. Chicks in vests, guys straight off the set of Beverly Hills 90210, lots of screaming and loud jerky music....bollocks!
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