im sad guys

[CiG]

It was sourced from a NWN forum. Whoever posted it claimed it was from a show at/in Tramshed circa 1982.

http://www.nwnprod.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=759502&sid=3256e0643d6847a23c1b83a97bdefab2

 

[Krow]

http://tshirtslayer.com/tape-vinyl-cd-recording-etc/pagan-altar-st-lp-bootleg-80s

Supposed vinyl bootleg from the 80s. Looks different than the one I've seen claimed as the 1994 version.

 

[Krow]

All shopped a'course.

 

[Omni]

If Alan Jones looks like he's in his mid-20s in those photos, they would still be in the 1980s. Just pointing that out.

 

[Carpe Mortem]

I'm utterly fascinated. I'm reading every post to completion.

 

[The Ozzman]

It's turning into a homogenous suite

 

[CiG]

I'm utterly fascinated. I'm reading every post to completion.

Dude are you a conspiracy theorist or at least just into that shit and cryptozoology etc?

 

[Omni]

HBB still didn't explain why Terry Jones sounds decades younger in singing and speaking voice on Volume 1 and The Time Lord than he does on their other music.

He also hasn't explained why Terry and Alan Jones are clearly decades younger in band photos from the 1980s than they are in photos from the 2000s, while clearly being identifiable as the same people.

Krow posted the exact 1980s version of the bootleg LP that is referred to on Metal Archives.

As I stated earlier, HBB is clearly trolling. He knows that he isn't right and he is offering no actual explanations for his definitive claim that Pagan Altar is a hoax band.

 

[Omni]

I actually forgot about this, but a master also exists for a Pagan Altar single recorded in 1980 at Abbey Road, which is a major studio. I think there is a picture of it on the Pagan Altar website. Sadly, they couldn't release it because the plant that was contracted to manufacture the single went bankrupt.

Also, Ivor Harper wrote the extensive biography from Pagan Altar on their site. He is a former member from the early days. That shoots a hole in the claim that no members aside from Terry and Alan Jones made statements about the band existing back then as well.

 

[Carpe Mortem]

Dude are you a conspiracy theorist or at least just into that shit and cryptozoology etc?

I just have a hard-on for mysteries, but no, I don't believe in Bigfoot or most conspiracies.

HOWEVER. LEST WE FORGET THE NOBLE CEOLOCANTH:

 

[arg]

I wish hbb would go back to writing about getting hard ons for dudes and stimulating his taint

 

[Master_Yoda77]

Me too arg, me too. Those were great.

 

[Vilden]

It's funny because from time to time I kind of get HBBs Pagan Altar thoughts in my head too, not that I think the band is fake (I don't) but most other bands I hear people who was a fan back in the day etc. But with Pagan Altar pretty much 100% of the people started listening to them after 2000 (or 98 or w/e), which is kind of funny for a nowdays cult band. It's like the ultimate unknown act made famous years later thanks to the in-crowd internet population.

Still rules though so who cares really.

 

[rms]

I remember all the bullshit Terry (I think) had on the HellRide forums with the Miskatonic/Solstice guy and would create massive threads just arguing about shit. Maybe I should try and find those and give it a read.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

http://tshirtslayer.com/tape-vinyl-cd-recording-etc/pagan-altar-st-lp-bootleg-80s

Supposed vinyl bootleg from the 80s. Looks different than the one I've seen claimed as the 1994 version.

I don't see any reason to believe that is legitimate.

1. Where did they get that high-resolution logo from? If you look at many other bootlegs from the 80s, they often don't even include the correct logo at all (e.g. early Exodus bootlegs).
2. The person that made the bootleg presumably would have needed access to two different tapes, both of which would have had to contain the relevant information printed on there. It's convenient that the cover is extremely plain aside from information already available online.
3. He doesn't say when he bought it, and presumably it was the seller that told him it was from the 1980s. Believe it or not, people invent fake bootlegs all the time. There was a mock-up Slauter Xstroyes' "bootleg" for their song Witch's Revenge that some idiots believed was real just because someone said so.
4. I'm not a font expert, but seeing that font gives me an immediate impulse fake vibe.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

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None of those prove anything. I acknowledge that the Jewish guy and the fedora guy are probably real human beings and not aliens. I acknowledge that the other two are the Jones people. I acknowledge that the Jones guys are father and son (even though imo they don't look related but that can happen so yeah). Show me where those guys are playing on a stage, with it clearly being them, AND something to indicate that it's the band Pagan Altar and not some random shitty pub band from the 80s that decided to reinvent themselves a decade later.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

HBB still didn't explain why Terry Jones sounds decades younger in singing and speaking voice on Volume 1 and The Time Lord than he does on their other music.

He also hasn't explained why Terry and Alan Jones are clearly decades younger in band photos from the 1980s than they are in photos from the 2000s, while clearly being identifiable as the same people.

Krow posted the exact 1980s version of the bootleg LP that is referred to on Metal Archives.

As I stated earlier, HBB is clearly trolling. He knows that he isn't right and he is offering no actual explanations for his definitive claim that Pagan Altar is a hoax band.

Yes I did: a decade is plenty of time for a voice to change. Just listen to how much Paul Baloff's voice changed from 1982 to 1984.

See my previous post.

There is no 1980s bootleg referred to on the Metal-Archives. They have a policy against including bootlegs, with the exception of the obvious Mayhem example.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I actually forgot about this, but a master also exists for a Pagan Altar single recorded in 1980 at Abbey Road, which is a major studio. I think there is a picture of it on the Pagan Altar website. Sadly, they couldn't release it because the plant that was contracted to manufacture the single went bankrupt.

Also, Ivor Harper wrote the extensive biography from Pagan Altar on their site. He is a former member from the early days. That shoots a hole in the claim that no members aside from Terry and Alan Jones made statements about the band existing back then as well.

I'd like to see photos of the band in that studio, or anything else that would be verifiable information.

I've already told that I'm skeptical of multiple aspects of that biography. Has this Ivor Harper guy been shown to exist in real life? Has he been involved with any other bands? Does he still participate with the band at all? What I'm looking for is someone unassociated with the band that can verify their existence.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Wait, that "80s" bootleg is literally just a color-inversion of the mid 90s one, with years added after the end of each song, hahahahaha.

 

[-CC-]

ITT: HBB thinks Terry Jones is a time-traveler.

Well...he is the Time Lord.