Impulse vs Cab (in the mix)
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JeffTD
Senhor Testiculo
*edit* don't want to spoil the results in the thread as requested.
I hate to make excuses as I'm as baffled as anyone on this, but I can't help but think that the right side being a few db quieter than the left in this test has us all fooled.
I hate to make excuses as I'm as baffled as anyone on this, but I can't help but think that the right side being a few db quieter than the left in this test has us all fooled.
Your post is kinda spoiler-ish anyway, but I think it's pretty unavoidable.
If the one side was quieter, that's due to the source files. I think they're pretty even but there's a slightly different frequency distribution. In the new wav files, I adjusted the volume so they should be all the same. Maybe we just hate guitars and the quieter they are, the better the mix is? That's my viewpoint on most of my mixes
However, this is just one scenario. I'm happy to be proven wrong, but mine and many others' experience has differed from these examples. "Further study is needed."
I could tell the real one instantly. Listen for the pick attack on the palm mutes. It will give it away instantly. It's harder and more present for a real amp.
Nebula vs impulse on the other hand I got mixed up. I found Nebula to sound less desirable than the impulse.
Edit: After listening more, Nebula sounds a little better than impulse on the fast palm muted part. The squishy-ness of the real amp is more apparent during this part also. Squishy yet harder... hahaha doesn't really make any sense huh? It's something in the upper midrange that gives it away for me.
Nebula vs impulse on the other hand I got mixed up. I found Nebula to sound less desirable than the impulse.
Edit: After listening more, Nebula sounds a little better than impulse on the fast palm muted part. The squishy-ness of the real amp is more apparent during this part also. Squishy yet harder... hahaha doesn't really make any sense huh? It's something in the upper midrange that gives it away for me.
JeffTD
Senhor Testiculo
Yeah, I think it's a combination of us finding one of the best guys at making impulses (who doesn't seem to want to share his methods), shitty guitar tones in general, and mismatched levels throwing us off.
Kazrog
Kazrog, Inc.
Interesting shootouts...
In the first thread, I thought the IR was the real amp. In this thread, I thought Nebula was the real amp. I agree with Jeff and others that the tone and the levels could have been better overall.
In the first thread, I thought the IR was the real amp. In this thread, I thought Nebula was the real amp. I agree with Jeff and others that the tone and the levels could have been better overall.
This is probably all just a really elaborate marketing scheme from Unicorn to hype his impulses beyond godtier by mixing up the answers. Then he'll sell his impulses for 500$ a piece.
Ermz
¯\(°_o)/¯
Nebula...? Wait, I thought we were comparing real cab to IR here?
Either way, I'm not gonna make excuses. If we've somehow arrived at a situation where Nebula or IR sounds better than the real deal, sign me up. Gotta say though, this all directly contradicts every single personal experience I've ever had!
The levels were off, but if anything it should've pushed us toward picking the left side - tone was more up front there. I found the frequency response more pleasing on the right, because it left a lot more room in the mix, and is much closer to how I mix guitars. Knowing all this, I'd still pick the same way.
Either way, I'm not gonna make excuses. If we've somehow arrived at a situation where Nebula or IR sounds better than the real deal, sign me up. Gotta say though, this all directly contradicts every single personal experience I've ever had!
The levels were off, but if anything it should've pushed us toward picking the left side - tone was more up front there. I found the frequency response more pleasing on the right, because it left a lot more room in the mix, and is much closer to how I mix guitars. Knowing all this, I'd still pick the same way.
Skaldir
formerly known as Unicorn
This is probably all just a really elaborate marketing scheme from Unicorn to hype his impulses beyond godtier by mixing up the answers. Then he'll sell his impulses for 500$ a piece.
Good idea
No, my results were all correct. I'm at the Ultimate Metal boards for 10 years almost. No need to start faking here
I don't know what Morgan did with the tracks, but the levels in my shootout were as close as possible. I searched for the point where the cancellation when phase-inverted was the biggest.
It would be probably good if I would take impulses of another person's setup. Maybe some German near Düsseldorf is interested.
JeffTD
Senhor Testiculo
Are you not willing to share your impulse-taking technique, or is it not possible without some specific gear you have? I would be totally up for taking an impulse of my rig and posting similar, in-mix comparisons of impulse v mic'd rig.
Line666
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Just checked, good thread, shame Anssi had to ruin it by being a smartarse and manipulating the tests only real flaw - lack of a controlled environment.
I had to do a statistical analysis of this before but unfortunately it had several limitations, one being the use of prosumer gear and the other using people whose ears I wouldn't trust like I would most people here.
I did a computer analysis as well and from what I can remember the only real obvious thing to come from that was that low pass effect, there was a debatable loss of intensity in the high end as well but even using a computer to analyse the data loss the difference in results was minimal. Either way I'm impressed (and still a tiny bit skeptical) with peoples abilities here to discern results over the 16k region, I sure as hell can't.
At any rate I do still call bullshit on this whole "MP3 destoyed fidelity" argument, it's not true, I think the real story is that mass exposure via the internet to multiple compression algorithms and people ripping their music from sources that had been compressed and compressed again; Myspace, Youtube et al, is really to blame for shit can slosh cymbals and all other associated problems. Because as a format the MP3 is damn impressive and the use of it properly doesn't really yield any problems.
Line666
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Back to topic though on this test I do call right as being real with everyone else, I dunno what the results are (or if one is Nebula, whats going on here?) but the left side has that horribly impulsey lack-of-proper saturation and nasty staticyness about it.
All I did was EQ, and since there was a pretty big difference across the spectrum between the samples, that could've caused a big dynamic shift. I compensated for this in the lossless files though, there should be no difference in levels there (@Kazrog, since you chose Nebula which was only in the lossless files, levels should not be an issue).
Öwen;9848899 said:
Results are in the lossless file pack (results for the original L vs R test, and there's a new test with nebula, impulse and the amp in there too, check OP for more details).
JeffTD
Senhor Testiculo
JeffTD
Senhor Testiculo
Skaldir
formerly known as Unicorn
Its all in there
http://www.voxengo.com/doc/deconvolver/
No special gear needed, but you need to check the impedances of your interface and your amps to decide where you need a re-amp box or a di box or a line in- or output for the signal.
Melb_shredder
Orpheus: Melodic Death
I'll stick by what I didn't like originally... knowing the Left is the real one, I'm still saying IN the mix context, I prefer the right, maybe it is somewhat due to the volume. I guess being less loud/ obnoxious on the right was helpful
ahjteam
Anssi Tenhunen
Öwen;9848889 said:
If you want to actually do a blind test, then just don't read the comments before posting.
