In Flames -Sounds of A Playground Fading (Upcoming 10th album)
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I'm not saying that the old fans are closed-minded idiots. And I didn't say people dislike the new stuff because they are comparing it to Clayman. I said that people will never find the new stuff as great as Clayman. Clearly there are examples as with your example. But I know that time does often play a huge part in people liking things. Obviously we are all different. But I know from personal experience, I really disliked (off-topic artist but it's part of my point) Relapse by Eminem when it first came out. Then Recovery came out, which I like a lot better than Relapse. Yet, after re-listening to it again and again, I like it a lot more now. So, it's not just that when a new album comes out that is worse, we can like the previous better. It can happen when a new album is better. Time can improve things. It's the same for me with every IF album before Soundtrack. I really disliked Lunar Strain except for two songs, same thing with TJR, I only like Episode 666 from Whoracle, and I only like at most half of Colony and Clayman for the longest time. Then all of a sudden (probably around '08 or '09), I listened to all of those albums again and now I love all of them. So my points and example hold just as much water as yours. So I'm not saying you specifically will learn to love STYE in 10 years, but I'm sure a lot of people will. And with R2R, when I was first aware of that album (in 2006 when I was brought upon IF by my at-the-time girlfriend, who might be the greatest person ever because of that) all I heard and read about it was negativity. Now, I join here and I'm surprised at how many people love it. Yes, they could be different people, but you get what I'm saying? Both of our arguments are very valid.
He's not around much anymore... we need to start bashing In Flames more, it'll be like a bat-signal to him, and he'll return
Now that you've said it... I always thought he has some big red alarm light in his room, and when someone attacks N'Flamez it goes: "Warning! Warning! Unauthorized Flamez attack under way! To battle-stations!"
Kake21
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Reroute is awesome now because it's the closest connection we have to Clayman since IF's move to the commercial side of things.
That's what I think.
That's what I think.
Bingo
The only reason R2R is now considered a better album than when it was first released is because of the crap that came out after it. How can your opinion of it not improve when STYE/ASOP came out afterwards?
It still doesn't change the fact that R2R was a huge step towards commercialisation for In Flames, and people were completely justified in being pissed off because it was a sign of what was to come.
I still wish there wasn't that production over Anders' voice on R2R. I grow to like it more because...I grow to like it more. I don't like it more because the later albums are crap. I like STYE and ASOP a lot better than R2R, but I grow to like it more for what it is. I don't compare it. That's the wrong way to go about liking an album. You should like it for what it is. Treat is as if it were in a vacuum, as if it were the only In Flames album. Obviously I compare it when I rank it. But to tell if it's good or not, if I like it or not, I look at it by itself.
So try not to listen to SOAPF with the comparison mindset. Listen to it for what it is, then in a year or so, place it into your rankings.
You can be Stalin if you want... any dictator will do (i'm just having with with you bro, don't take me so seriously )
I said ages ago that comparing the new albums to the old is a pointless exercise and I stand by that. In that sense I agree with you. There's no point comparing them because it's like comparing two totally different bands in two vastly different genres.
However, it doesn't mean a person can't lament over the fact they went from Clayman to ASOP as a band for most of their older fans especially their progression isn't something to be happy about. Most of the newer fans don't know their older albums exist or don't care, so their arguments aren't worth anything anyway
(i'm just having with with you bro, don't take me so seriously )I said ages ago that comparing the new albums to the old is a pointless exercise and I stand by that. In that sense I agree with you. There's no point comparing them because it's like comparing two totally different bands in two vastly different genres.
However, it doesn't mean a person can't lament over the fact they went from Clayman to ASOP as a band
for most of their older fans especially their progression isn't something to be happy about. Most of the newer fans don't know their older albums exist or don't care, so their arguments aren't worth anything anyway I understand that the old fans have a right to complain. I'm not trying to say that if you do what I do, you will love all the albums. Fuck me, who am I to say what's right? I just state my opinions and hope that you think about them in relation to your own. We all need other perspectives. I think that if I started with IF from the beginning, it would take me a very long time to like their new albums. So I completely agree with why they are complaining. Fortunately for me though, I started with CC and went backwards, and eventually loved all their CDs. I am well aware of all their albums, so I think we'd all agree that my opinions are worth something here. So far, it seems like you guys all respect me. When I start listening to a band, I always try to learn as much about them as possible, and I definitely make sure I'm aware of their entire discography.
You can back up your opinions bro so I have no problem with you! Mine is just different, that's how it is.
I got no beef with you or anyone else ... at the moment
Dantess9226
FINN BALOR
Going by that logic, Colony-Whoracle-TJR should be more popular than Clayman because they are out longer.
And there are different types of "heavy"... Most people observe Death as heavier music than Slipknot, Korn, Drowning pool (is that the name) etc... For me, it is much easier to listen Death then any of those bands. STYE is heavier than Claymen sound wise. Less melody, guitar sound is uglier, even Anders screams are more aggressive sometimes... BUT (and that's a big but) STYE is not heavier ideology wise. It is written in very pop-ish, easy to consume way compared to Clayman (not to mention earlier albums). "In the US it is popular to scream about suicide and hate and do chugging riffs, so let's do it."
In Flames started to write songs that are just "speeding things up to get to the first catchy chorus", and because of that their music has became shallow and one dimensional. From all these albums RTR-ASOP there are no epic riffs that will became legendary, there is no real aggression and purpose, there are no new, progressive ideas, no dream-like passages...there are just catchy choruses and a few memorable melodies. Songs started to revolve around choruses like satellites around planets.
And I hate that. I hate nu metal, metalcore, glam rock, pop...and a I love prog rock, death metal, thrash metal, NWOBHM, even some avantgarde black metal, classical, folk/etno music, trance etc... TJR-Clayman belongs into music I like, R2R-ASOP is in the group I dislike.
It is the same band, but music is not the same. And I don't care, they can write Lady Gaga-like songs if they want to attract wider audience, but I don't have to like it.
While i don't neccessary agree/my opinion is not similar to all of the stuff you said (naturally), i like this post.
Don't get me wrong- i'm a huge fan of alot of Metalcore (i'm just a sucker really, but metalcore was probably the genre that got me into the heavier spectrum- beckoned me into In Flames/CC- and was also very uplifting at a dark time in my life), less-so with Nu Metal (although i don't mind Soilwork's Stabbing the Drama, Passenger etc) but i get your point wholely.
I'm actually the complete reverse of your taste- R2R-ASOP is in the group I like. TJR-Clayman is not my kind of music, but i can't deny that i listen to Colony/Clayman (both masterpieces from another planet!
) all the time. I can relate to the people who are 'mainstream' in their tastes- while i don't mind the lyrics on Whoracle, Anders' vocals pre-Colony are not great to my ears. They WERE a guitar-driven band, first and foremost in my eyes. Me being geared toward vocals more than any other aspect of music (if i were to be in a band, i'd be the singer ) i can see the appeal of RTR-onwards being more vocal driven.I think that is why SOAPF is exciting for me- it's vocals are the kind i like (without being generic screaming-versese, singing-chorus) and are really catchy, and yet the music is deeper, more experimental and self-indulgent on the instrumental side as were the days of TJR/Whoracle. What i'm saying is... i wouldn't mind the 3-minute metal-pop songs of the ASOP-nature. But ASOP just plain sucked anyway! :Smug:
You can back up your opinions bro so I have no problem with you! Mine is just different, that's how it is.
I got no beef with you or anyone else ... at the moment
Same to you, man. Respect.
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