IN FLAMES

[moose209]

christ on fire on a pogo stick - I've just been listening to the last in flames single - take this life - and the guitar tone in the verse is monsterous. simply turd inducing - so low and punchy i may not be able to have children ever.

In the video he's using a 5150 stack, now that tone don't sound like a 5150 more like a deizel herbert but it's so clean. Does anyone know, or know of of an interview with bergstram or anyone from from bunker (where it was recorded) that talks about how they did the album as it would be awesome to try and approach that tone.

Sure it's pop, somewhat nu-metal at times but you can't deny it's a great track.

I look forward to your responses and ridicule.

 

[Fredrik-Ablaze]

Well in the latest issue of the swedish guitarmag Fuzz Gelotte and Jesper said that they used baritone guitars and 5150's for the album and that they did the production themselves

 

[~BURNY~]

Turd inducing?

 

[moose209]

i may be being a retard here - but whats the standard tuning for a baritone guitar as i'm sure i can play the riff with a standard guitar tuned to c. Still there are no rules hey! i always get a better sound out of using my b string on my bass as a c string.

 

[006]

Baritone guitars can be tuned to anything you want. They just have an extended scale neck. Baritones tend to simply sound thicker/heavier than a regular scale guitar. Sometimes they are tuned to B standard for a 6-string (B E A D F# B low to high), but like I said they can be tuned any way.

~006

 

[Sly]

The album was recorded with Daniel Bergstrand, right ?

He uses to use 5150 and also a POD (i guess that's what gives the brightness to the sound). What mics ? Probably SM57 and a Neumann-type LDC. If Bergstrand recorded the guitars, the pre is a Mindprint Dual Tube Channel (I own one and it's great ! Complete 2 channel pre-EQ-optical compressor). Idem for the bass.
On the photos of the drum tracking (go to www.inflames.com), we can see tons of "quite cheap" ribbon and tube mics were used as cymbal mics.

The vocal mic may be a Soundelux U99 or the older version, U95.

The mastering phase has a lot to do in the final sound too, especially when it comes to the guitars, it adds presence most of the time.

 

[Carcass29]

 

[006]

I think In Flames uses the POD for cleans only...but I could be wrong. I know there is one band that does that for sure- I *think* it's In Flames.

~006

 

[Torniojaws]

Yeah, I've also heard In Flames uses PODs for their *live* cleans, but I'm not sure if they use them in studio.

Fredrik Thordendal uses a POD for the heavy stuff too.

 

[Fredrik-Ablaze]

As said in my prevoius post they recorded the guitars themselves.
The POD's are for cleans only btw.

The album was recorded with Daniel Bergstrand, right ?

He uses to use 5150 and also a POD (i guess that's what gives the brightness to the sound). What mics ? Probably SM57 and a Neumann-type LDC. If Bergstrand recorded the guitars, the pre is a Mindprint Dual Tube Channel (I own one and it's great ! Complete 2 channel pre-EQ-optical compressor). Idem for the bass.
On the photos of the drum tracking (go to www.inflames.com), we can see tons of "quite cheap" ribbon and tube mics were used as cymbal mics.

The vocal mic may be a Soundelux U99 or the older version, U95.

The mastering phase has a lot to do in the final sound too, especially when it comes to the guitars, it adds presence most of the time.

 

[ThatGuitarGuy]

I noticed that he had some thing to put both of his wireless units onto a 1U setup...

I have the sennheiser one on the right. I was originally going to sell it and get a rackmount wireless unit.....but if I dont have too....

Anyone know what you can use to put something like two wireless units into a rack like that?

 

[Sly]

On the studio pics, I always see Daniel using a POD connected to the patch of his Soundcraft console. I think he uses it to record the guitars (if you listen carefully to the latest IN FLAMES albums, the brightness of the sound seems to come from a POD).
If they really recorded the guitars alone (which I doubt, because the sound is very "Bergstrandesque"), so maybe they didn't use it.
It remains kind of a mystery around there.

 

[gumplunger]

On the studio pics, I always see Daniel using a POD connected to the patch of his Soundcraft console. I think he uses it to record the guitars (if you listen carefully to the latest IN FLAMES albums, the brightness of the sound seems to come from a POD).
If they really recorded the guitars alone (which I doubt, because the sound is very "Bergstrandesque"), so maybe they didn't use it.
It remains kind of a mystery around there.

In an interview, Bjorn said the distored sound on the last album came from only the 5150, so I wouldn't be suprised if thats what they did on this one too. He's said plenty of times the 5150 is only for clean.

 

[hourglass]

I think In Flames uses the POD for cleans only...but I could be wrong. I know there is one band that does that for sure- I *think* it's In Flames.

~006

Bingo -

In Flames only uses the Pod for clean sounds.

The new record (which blows me away, unlike the last two...) sounds like 5150's to me.

ryan

 

[hourglass]

On the studio pics, I always see Daniel using a POD connected to the patch of his Soundcraft console. I think he uses it to record the guitars (if you listen carefully to the latest IN FLAMES albums, the brightness of the sound seems to come from a POD).
If they really recorded the guitars alone (which I doubt, because the sound is very "Bergstrandesque"), so maybe they didn't use it.
It remains kind of a mystery around there.

Maybe it's just me, but I've never gotten anything "bright" out of a Pod - especially the versions up through Ver. 2.0 / Pod Pro.

Muddy. Hazy. Choked. Uninspiring.

Those are terms which come to mind when I tried like Hell to get the thing to do what my 5150 can do. No Pod can touch the extremes the 5150 is capable of - either high or low.

The In Flames sounds, to me, once again scream "5150" to my ears. If it sounds brighter than a stock 5150 to your ears it's probably because they don't use the 5150 cabs. At least they haven't when I've seen them live (3x with Nevermore in 2K... many times since...) If you use a 5150 with ANY OTHER cab it gets very bright VERY FAST. So much so that I can't stand to use it with anything other than the stock cab.

ryan

 

[Fragle]

"The In Flames sounds, to me, once again scream "5150" to my ears. If it sounds brighter than a stock 5150 to your ears it's probably because they don't use the 5150 cabs. At least they haven't when I've seen them live (3x with Nevermore in 2K... many times since...) If you use a 5150 with ANY OTHER cab it gets very bright VERY FAST. So much so that I can't stand to use it with anything other than the stock cab."

interesting. while i haven't played a 5150 cab, i don't find the 5150 to be overly bright when using different cabs. actually, my 5150 sounds pretty damn good with the marshall 1960A/B fullstack i use for rehearsal - i've used it with different cabs, but this amp seems to greatly benefit from the 75w celestions and their classic highend. actually, i tend to run the treble quite high in order to get out of almost mesa-style darkness territory.
(speaking of darkness...anybody remember chapelle's rick james parody? "darkness, everybody die! darkness is spreading! )

 

[Glenn Fricker]

If you use a 5150 with ANY OTHER cab it gets very bright VERY FAST. So much so that I can't stand to use it with anything other than the stock cab.

ryan

The stock 5150 cab sucks harder than Jenna Jameson.


Let me rephrase that. I've found the Sheffield cab to be extremely bright. Of course, I'm talking miked up.... not in the room. I've had FAR better results recording a 5150 thru a V30 cab than with a Sheffield. YMMV.

 

[Brett - K A L I S I A]

I wouldn't have thought Jenna Jameson to be extremely bright to be honest

 

[hourglass]

The stock 5150 cab sucks harder than Jenna Jameson.


Let me rephrase that. I've found the Sheffield cab to be extremely bright. Of course, I'm talking miked up.... not in the room. I've had FAR better results recording a 5150 thru a V30 cab than with a Sheffield. YMMV.

Are you sure you have the 5150 cab and not some other Peavey deal loaded up with something else?

There are other Peavey speakers called "Sheffield" but they aren't the same as go in the 5150 cabs.

Anyhow - when I plug anything else into my 5150 cab (which was bought in '95, so maybe the new ones are different... I dunno...) all the high end vanishes. Sucked away...

Plug a 5150 into just about anything else (and most of my "anything else" experience has been with Vintage 30 equipped cabs...) and the high end will peel your face off.


And as for "in the room" vs. "miced up" you're throwing me for a loop.

In my experience the best recorded guitar tones come from a rig that sounds just like you want it to sound IN THE ROOM. The guitar player has to be happy with the way the guitar plugged into the amp sounds before you do anything on the recording side of things.

I get that in no time at all with my 5150 or 5150-II running thru my stock 5150 slant cab. The challenge is to get that sound onto tape.

Maybe you're sticking with the tried & true which works for most amps, I find it very difficult to capture the 5150 tone with an SM-57. Maybe that's part of your problem, because the 57 puts an annoying buzz up in the high end that you can't EQ out. The only time I've been happy micing my cab with a 57 was when I was running it through a Vintech 473. I'm guessing some combination of the transformer and the "neve-guts" in that box had a natural way of taming the shrill high end.

With any other mic pre (from Class-A Avalon stuff down to Mackie XDR...) I've always gotten much better results recording with either a Sennheiser 409 or a 609. It doesn't add all that crap to the high mids that the 57 has.

If you haven't tried it, you should give it a shot.

I prefer to track my guitars as clean as possible - not talking about gain or distortion, but I want the sound there from the beginning. If you add console EQ while you're tracking or do anything other than some hi-pass while mixing then the tone gets changed too much by the phase shifts introduced by the EQ.

Check out the tracks from the other thread I posted about a needing a singer - they were all recorded with the 57 thru the Vintech 473. Two rhythm guitars panned hard L&R and up to 8 harmony tracks over top - check out the end of the one called "Five Song" for a good example of where that many tracks of the stock 5150 cab still doesn't get shrill like you're saying.

If you do happen to check that track out, just do your best to ignore the overdub at the beginning which was played on a guitar with less-than-stellar intonation. Ah, the hazards of adding parts when your ears are 12 hours past being tired...

Again, just my 2 cents...

ryan