In Need of Brutality

[The Ozzman]

Dechristianize from VR is pretty good. That would be the only one I would recommend since the only other one I've heard from VR is Icons of Evil and that record is just boring.

 

[nissan]

VR is lame. The song Dechristianize is in my top 10 seconds over, it's just ridiculously good. Devouring Elysium is nuts too. That's about it..

 

[ShredHeadJHJ]

Cenotaph - Pseudo Verminal Cadaverium: Endlessly interesting album where each song is an energetic ride. Familiarize yourself with the genre a little before listening though, it can be overwhelming.

lol, I found your review of this album over at M-A. There's almost no way this album can be that good. If Cenotaph can be brutal while retaining decent production values & interesting playing I will be all about it, you have my word. I will give them a shot after I check out Wormed. I've been working on Black Metal a bit lately so that's why I never got back to the Brutal Death thing.

The reason I wasn't that big on Devourment was the fact that the music was rather simple or brainless sounding & all the songs sounded too similar. The production on 1.3.8. also blows. I can only do so much blast beating over power chords over double bassing over power chords. So many bands do it & it turns into a gimmick when over done Bro.

I'm a guitarist btw, so call me biased if you must. Give me good Tech Death with cool riffs, cool playing, & at least decent mixing & I'm all about it. Anything Death Metal is not usually a genre I like to be too raw, but there are exceptions out there.

 

[cookiecutter]

Ur dumb

Seriously, Cenotaph are that good.

Devourment are simple yes, but that's the point. It is primitive, brutal, and heavy. The production is perfect for what it is. What is brainless is to suggest that Devourment are a gimmick because they inspired a subgenre. Why not suggest Darkthrone are stupid and a gimmick because they play simple tremelo riffs.

I think I've explained this to you like five times, so please just stop spewing your retardedness and stop listening to things you obviously don't like can't grasp.

 

[ShredHeadJHJ]

First off I can grasp Devourment fine. We both said it was rather simple. I never said I hated it because there is a time & place for it, I just said it wasn't that great.

Second, on 1.3.8. the drums are much loder than the guitars. It's just uneven mixing, that was what the production comment was about. I don't care that you can't really hear the bass too well.

 

[V.V.V.V.V.]

I'm a guitarist btw, so call me biased if you must. Give me good Tech Death with cool riffs, cool playing, & at least decent mixing & I'm all about it.

So you're a shallow musician easily wowed by technical flourishes who does not appreciate the inherent bludgeoning power of an insanely downtuned slam riff? I hear there are a lot of these around!

 

[ShredHeadJHJ]

So you're a shallow musician easily wowed by technical flourishes who does not appreciate the inherent bludgeoning power of an insanely downtuned slam riff? I hear there are a lot of these around!

Do you not sometimes like these technical flourishes you speak of, or do you only like listening to downtuned slam riffs & 3 note tremolo raw black metal riffs??

I can get into all kinds of stuff dude, whether it's technical or simple. Music doesn't even have to have guitar for me to like it. I will stand by the statement that it's a lot harder to write a good technical song than it is to write a good simple song though. Anyone that's been playing for a year who isn't that dedicated can possibly write good simple songs, just maybe not in the way Devourment do.

BTW, I never said I hated Devourment, I just think you guys are over rating them so I said something... I can absorb what it is they do, maybe I just don't appreciate it as much as it sounds like something I've heard before.

Besides, half of what I say is usually intended as being somewhat humorous anyways. I have an off beat sense of humor that doesn't translate well on message boards to people I don't know very well

 

[Alongside Death]

Internal Suffering
Origin
Myrkskog
Guttural Secrete

 

[V.V.V.V.V.]

Do you not sometimes like these technical flourishes you speak of, or do you only like listening to downtuned slam riffs & 3 note tremolo raw black metal riffs??

I can get into all kinds of stuff dude, whether it's technical or simple. Music doesn't even have to have guitar for me to like it. I will stand by the statement that it's a lot harder to write a good technical song than it is to write a good simple song though. Anyone that's been playing for a year who isn't that dedicated can possibly write good simple songs, just maybe not in the way Devourment do.

BTW, I never said I hated Devourment, I just think you guys are over rating them so I said something... I can absorb what it is they do, maybe I just don't appreciate it as much as it sounds like something I've heard before.

Besides, half of what I say is usually intended as being somewhat humorous anyways. I have an off beat sense of humor that doesn't translate well on message boards to people I don't know very well

You're really approaching music in a weird way. Talent alone doesn't define how good a band is. Of course anyone playing for a year can play what Devourment does. So what? Does that somehow negate the musical relevance of Devourment, or slamming death metal in general? Seems outrageous to me. Nick and I are very devoted to the style of metal Devourment pioneered; how can we overrate them? Technically, they should get an infinity symbol out of 10 for every album simply because they exist. But, we are a little more rational than that. I personally wouldn't give Molesting The Decapitated over a 90 since the production IS kind of a marring aspect, and I think even the re-release of Butcher The Weak deserves a nice holistic 8.5. I agree with you, but I don't think you really are in the place to judge it, to be honest.

 

[cookiecutter]

Bah, I like the production

 

[Matt]

Shred, stop acting as if you know what you're talking about.

 

[Matt]

Skinless epitomize what a death metal band should be- they aren't particularly original, they just execute the formula perfectly.

Agreed.

They are average and boring

Not rly.

Suffocation did it like a decade before them though.

So?

 

[ShredHeadJHJ]

V, I listened to a good bit of Death Metal for probably 11-12 years & I can give my thoughts on album, even if I am new to it. Devourment is good mosh pit brutal stuff, I never denied it that. I understand that it's a different concept for a band & they were "pioneering" for their time... In truth to me it sounds like someone used a pitch shifter (I know they didn't actually use one, I said sounds like) when playing half a Cannibal Corpse song. The vocals & riffs were low & they just rolled with it & put the songs on albums.

Man oh man, I get so much shit on here for voicing my opinions, but I don't think they really pioneered anything... I never said they were a terrible band & don't take my words too seriously, but they didn't reinvent the light bulb guys. I even like listening to the band actually (listening to BtW right now, which has much better mixing than 1.3.8.) but I think you guys give them too much credit in the whole "new genre invention" sense. If I "wrote" a song just like them & put a little high pitched scream in the middle followed by a 15 second guitar solo would I be the inventor of a new genre?

 

[cookiecutter]

You get shit for saying such stupid and wrong things. They DID invent a new subgenre. That's a fact and there's nothing you can do about it. They get credit for inventing a new genre because they were the first AND THERE ARE ACTUALLY BANDS THAT SOUND LIKE THEM. Do you just not think about what you say?

 

[V.V.V.V.V.]

So?

True, I do listen to bands who do things like the old guard but slightly worse in one or more aspects. But I don't like any Skinless before their newest album (a very good one, by the way).

 

[ShredHeadJHJ]

I'm over the Devourment thing dude. I don't need to talk about it anymore. They are the undisputed Gods of Br00tal Death Metal & they're the most original metal band ever, there ya go.

Wormed are fucking awesome though CC. I like this much better. I think it's much in the same style of Devourment only the songs are more interesting & you can hear all the instruments. It's not mixed too high on the snare like Devourment. They seem top take what Devourment did & nearly perfect it. I've listened to this album 3 times already.

 

[S<issors]

True, I do listen to bands who do things like the old guard but slightly worse in one or more aspects. But I don't like any Skinless before their newest album (a very good one, by the way).

TTWHTD is much better than the rest of their discog, although I do like a few tracks of the older albums as well.

they aren't a suffo clone, although they do play a style of music that was pioneered by them. little things like the samples they select, the dual vocals, and their overall aesthetic make them likable and unique.

I also like wormed better than devourment, but devaluing a group that pretty much single handedly founded a major subgenre is no good.

 

[CF87]

Bloodbath: nightmares made flesh.

Regular death metal that is more BROOTAL and heavy than BROOTAL death metal albums.

 

[cookiecutter]

You are an idiot and a failure at life

 

[ohiogrinder]

hey now kiddies lets get along...