In The Absence Of Truth
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biggsy
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only heard one track so far and loved it. ordered the cd two days ago so it should be here shortly.
Demilich
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Dalkaen
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Scourge of Malice
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I hear no Tool worship. And this is by far their best album. I cannot begin to express how amazing this album is. There's so much more emotion here than in their past releases.
Demilich
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I think its fair to say that you're the retarded one if you're saying there's absolutely no influence... the band themselves would probably tell you otherwise.
biggsy
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I finally got it last night... very impressed. Favourite track right now would have to be Garden of Light. The drumming is so far improved on Panopticon and still hasn't lost that Isis sound. Well done Aaron Harris. The transitions from growls to cleans vocals are very impressive, often seamless. It's refreshing to hear a band who is putting out an album that isn't lacking ideas or originality.
Scourge of Malice
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I think I admitted the influence in the drums (the fact that he got drum lessons from Danny makes it impossible to deny) and bass, but besides that its quite a reach. Clean vocals do not = maynard. Aaron sounds nothing like him. The majority of the new album contains three guitar parts going at once, which would be impossible to gain from Tool, and the structure of their songs are wayyyy different than any Tool song. You specifically said "Tool worship" which is so far from the truth its rediculous. I personally think Tool are great so I wouldn't try to deny it because I hate the band or anything. I'm so sick of people throwing around "Tool influence" to bands these days.
Scourge of Malice
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Good post. Aaron Harris has made such a great improvement. I've never heard such a progression between albums from any musician. And Garden of Light is possibly my favorite song of the year!
evildave
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I'm enjoying it still but not loving it yet. Like then drawn-out hypnotic thing very much. The arrangements are great. The vocals are the weakest link so far.
Demilich
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Have you read any of Aaron's (the vocalist) interviews where he mentions the massive importance of Tool as an influence on Isis, Neurosis and the entire post-metal scene? I can't remember, but I think the Wikipedia page entitled "post-metal" goes into detail on it. I mean, Tool's bassist even plays on Panopticon, doesn't he? Maybe "worship" was too strong a word, but you're still denying an influence that is pretty obvious. Keep up the good work!
Scourge of Malice
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I never denied an influence!!! I know the bands are good friends and I know theres influence that goes both ways. It was Tool's bassist that played on Isis' album actually ("Altered Course," awesome song). All I'm trying to say is listening to the album there is no way that I've ever thought "whoa this sounds like a Tool album." There's a few moments (actually I can only really think of one, a part in "Not in Rivers, But in Drops"), where the influence is obvious, and theres certain parts of their sound that sound like they were influenced by Tool somewhat, but there is absolutely no worship. Its the same way with Opeth and Camel or some band like that. Obviously Opeth has elements of Camel in their sound but theres no way you could call any of their albums Camel worship (well, maybe Damnation at times ^_^). They are two very different bands. They have a similar atmosphere at times but they both have very different goals with their music. If you've still only listened to samples then I reccomend listening to the actual album cause its pretty rediculous to make those statements without hearing it, and if you still think it sounds like a total Tool-fest then I'll give it to you. And Neurosis is the one that influenced Tool, not the other way around btw (they've been around for over 20 years). And again, I love Tool, and I appreciate the influence they've had on them, but Isis is Isis.
ps. the last few posts in this thread were drunk ones, so they might not make sense ^_^
ps. the last few posts in this thread were drunk ones, so they might not make sense ^_^
wankerness
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Hmm, I never noticed any tool influence...when I heard the tribal drumming I just thought of Neurosis. This album is quite good, not as good as the previous two imo. A few of the songs are really, really good, but others kind of fall flat...it's less consistant.
Oh, speaking of tool, it took me a while to figure out what that strange metallic, delayed, watery, reverbed guitar tone they have on some songs reminded me of, and it was A Perfect Circle's second CD. I think the song "Blue" maybe? I really like that guitar tone and I can't think of any other bands I've heard use it.
Oh, speaking of tool, it took me a while to figure out what that strange metallic, delayed, watery, reverbed guitar tone they have on some songs reminded me of, and it was A Perfect Circle's second CD. I think the song "Blue" maybe? I really like that guitar tone and I can't think of any other bands I've heard use it.
wankerness
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Does anyone have any sort of source on Isis's drummer taking lessons with Danny Carey? I can't find a single source on it besides random noobs on message boards and amazon reviews, the interview I found with the drummer from this month doesn't say ANYTHING about it even though he talks about the difference in drumming from the last album and talks about tool and stuff.
Demilich
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See this is why when I make a comment about a sample I heard, I'm commenting on the sample and not the whole album. I didn't think this was that tough a concept to pick up on. when I hear the album I'll comment it, but that doesn't mean i can't comment on the sample I heard (which was from "Not in Rivers, But in Drops"
biggsy
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can you link me for the interview?
another point on the album, i think turner's growls have progressed as well. on oceanic especially, although i loved them, i thought they were a bit flat. they suited the music but now he sounds like theres something behind them, hes really giving it a red hot go, and i think it sounds great. justs adds to the emotion.
wankerness
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